This is not a sarcastic question. Not at all. I am really curious. One less mid and one less high driver than the JH 13 Pro. 18 ohm instead of 28 ohm. Also 3 khz less at the top end - 17 khz versus 20 khz. (This is not necessarily a bad thing. I believe that the UE Triple-Fi's roll off at 17 khz and they have sweet treble.)

And $100 less. For someone deciding to spend a hefty high end $999, it has to be tempting to spend $1099... Is there a sweet spot somewhere here?

Cheers,
Paul

PS I ask this in part because I am contemplating custom IEMs to drive directly from the iPhone 3GS headphone out. Not suggesting that these are somehow more suitable than the JH13 Pros but I am listening to all possibilities these days.

well I cannot answer your main question but the 3gs pairs amazingly well with the jh-13's you will be very satisfied with the results.

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Damn, Hockeyb213, why did you have to tell me that?
So you are driving the jh-13s direct from the 3GS headphone out? That's very very interesting. Thanks! (Ah yes, I see your sig. Ultraportable is my goal.)

>>Directed to others: I am still curious about my main question...

Yes I am driving them straight out of the 3gs headphoneaddict has had similar impressions to me about using the 3gs as a stand alone unit. I really think that the jh-11 is a iem that is meant to fill the line of the series. It is based off of his original design of the ue-11 and is an alternative. To be honest it probably won't sell a lot because like you said the jh-13s can be bought for 100 bucks more and most will appreciate the 13's more.

I can only think of the JH11's being for someone who has never heard the JH13's. $100 more for the JH13 is well worth it. In fact, if you hear both, it's almost a no brainer.

Yeah, having the JH10x3, JH11, and JH13 in the demo pack is rather interesting. The folks who bothered to listen to the 10x3 and 11 made some really nice comments about them. THEN they listened to the JH13, and the decision was unanimous. Everyone wanted to buy the 13. I can see the JH5 having its' appeal at a much lower price point, but it is tough sledding for the 10x3 and 11 to sell, at least to the Head-Fi/audiophile crowd, when the 13 is in the room.

Maybe its for people who prefer slightly less extended highs and slightly beefier lows?

Thanks for all the input, guys. So I'm actually not missing something obvious here.

Going sideways on the topic again, my birthday is in November and I just may treat myself to customs. I'm not 100% sure because my Triple-Fi's reverse modded with the Westone E2 cable are a superb match with the iPhone 3GS headphone out. Still, I always feel after a couple of hours of listening that they are getting rather large.. they could be more comfortable...

So either I go cheap: the new UE 4s or the JH 5 Pros - or I go for it with the JH 13s. Inbetween just doesn't make sense as I suspected.

The problem is... it's hard to go cheap. It's only hard-earned money after all.

On a related topic, isn't the 3GS headphone out something special? The best I have heard from Apple (or iRiver) yet. I spent this evening comparing to my Headsix with my just arrived iBasso dock (together not top end but pretty good) and I think that the headphone out really holds up well.

I only tried Iron Dreamer's demo version of JH10x3, JH11, and JH13 but I thought JH11 had completely different sound signature from JH13 where as 10x3 was quite similar to JH13. JH11 had warmer sound with more prominent bass. So I guess they are two different IEMs and think that JH11 is not necessarily a lower grade product. Therefore, there is only small price difference. Anyway this is only my personal opinion.

Spend the extra freight. If you're buying from Jerry Harvey, it's obvious you aren't looking for a "deal." There are much cheaper earphones but you don't want a bargain; you want the best. If you get next-to-the-best, you'll be rolling in your covers until you finally break down and pay the man his money. It's no longer just about the earphones. It's about having the best set of them. I'd pay the extra $100 for the peace of mind and make up the slack down the road.

By the way, I don't own any of these. I have the money in the bank, but I just know I'll be doing that midnight roll if I don't follow a different obsession, which is to make my own IEMs. To each his own.

When (mostly if) I win the Lottery, I'm buying a plane and flying myself straight to JH Audio for the JH-13's.

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Bilavideo, you're a man of evil logic. EVIL.

(But it kind of resonates...)

This is something I wondered about myself. I guess JH wanted to have direct competitors with the competition in different price categories, but there are some issues with the reasoning behind why someone would opt for one of the lower models when the flagship is so well touted and only marginally more expensive (in the case of the JH11).

The point of the JH11 was it would be the UE11 except better - since Jerry Harvey designed the UE11 that's certainly a reasonable goal. FWIR it's warmer and bassier than the roughly neutral and more detailed JH13. That said, I think it would be silly not to spend the extra hundred and I think the JH11 and 10x3 should probably be a bit cheaper to get more takers.

i tried the demo of JH10pro and JH11pro, IMO they are made to similar to UE10 and UE11 but maybe better.

JH10X3 and JH13 were made to prove Jerry could do something better than what he did. in reference to the above. heh heh...