[PelPix]

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Rig might I ask? How long?
 
Are your 880s 600 or 250 ohms?
 

600.
I updated my last post with a more clear explanation of what I am saying.  Perhaps you think I've been saying that the T1 sounds worse than the DT880.

 

[MacedonianHero]

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600.
I updated my last post with a more clear explanation of what I am saying.  Perhaps you think I've been saying that the T1 sounds worse than the DT880.

Do you recall the rig used? The issue I find with all of these new flagships is that they really need a great source/dac/amp for them to truly reveal what they can do. The HD600s hit their potential on less than summit level gear; while the HD800s don't hit their stride until what you have upstream really moves beyond what you had before by a reasonable margin.
 
Merry Christmas.

 

 

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Well, I've offered my opinions and Skylab's...we've both own BOTH headphones and came to this conclusion. As meet conditions go, we all know that any true critical assessments are far from "ideal". And cables have nothing to do with it.....it depends on the system, gear and the effects are minimal (used as a final tune up IMO).
 
BTW, you're synonyms set off my sour grapes detector.

 
I could offer a quote from Captain James T. Kirk but it wouldn't change the facts.
 
Unfortunately cables have everything to do with it, you see if you're a cable believer you're already hearing things that aren't there. I would then simply have to relate back to my cognitive illusion comment and I would be happy to leave it there.
 
To pick up on a couple points you made:
 
- You agree the T1s have louder bass, but previously considered the DT880 "U" shaped. I would consider "U" shaped as louder bass and treble with a subdued mid-range. In comparison to a rounded phone the 880s could certainly come across as metallic with their detail extension. The HD650 as I previously mentioned are similar to the T1s in that there bass is also elevated and save for a the 10k Beyer peak they also fall off quickly in the treble.
 
- If I understand you correctly you prefer both the HD650 and HD600 to the DT880, perfectly fine, both great sounding cans, however I would consider the HD650s, HD600 and T1 as colored.
 

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I thought the T1 was more musical and engaging, but I thought it was a less accurate reproduction of the signal.  As an engineer, I need cans that are as cold, dead, and lifeless as possible.

Exactly my point! It's a great sounding headphone, just look at how popular the Denon range is, some people look for musical while others, myself included look for accuracy.
 
 
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MacedonianHero, I respect your opinion and we're all so very opinionated around here with our vastly different tastes in audio. But calling the DT880 "U" shaped, flabby and metallic are simply unfounded, thus raising my suspicion towards price playing a large role in your attitude.

 

[MacedonianHero]

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I could offer a quote from Captain James T. Kirk but it wouldn't change the facts.
 
Unfortunately cables have everything to do with it, you see if you're a cable believer you're already hearing things that aren't there. I would then simply have to relate back to my cognitive illusion comment and I would be happy to leave it there.
 
To pick up on a couple points you made:
 
- You agree the T1s have louder bass, but previously considered the DT880 "U" shaped. I would consider "U" shaped as louder bass and treble with a subdued mid-range. In comparison to a rounded phone the 880s could certainly come across as metallic with their detail extension. The HD650 as I previously mentioned are similar to the T1s in that there bass is also elevated and save for a the 10k Beyer peak they also fall off quickly in the treble.
 
- If I understand you correctly you prefer both the HD650 and HD600 to the DT880, perfectly fine, both great sounding cans, however I would consider the HD650s, HD600 and T1 as colored.
 

Exactly my point! It's a great sounding headphone, just look at how popular the Denon range is, some people look for musical while others, myself included look for accuracy.
 
 
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MacedonianHero, I respect your opinion and we're all so very opinionated around here with our vastly different tastes in audio. But calling the DT880 "U" shaped, flabby and metallic are simply unfounded, thus raising my suspicion towards price playing a large role in your attitude.

My comments of the DT880s being "U" shaped and flabby were in comparison to the other headphones I've compared them to (HD600s and T1s namely).Not in absolute terms by any means. The metallic treble was something I couldn't get over so I sold them both (250 and 600ohms). It has nothing to do with my preferences, the HD800s (also have them here) are critiqued by some for being too bright...but I enjoy them and never found the treble "metallic" sounding.
 
It was this issue I had with the treble that made them sound more "U" like.  But if you're thinking the T1s and DT880s sound similar, trust me it's not the cables. The rather closeness of the bass measurements between the DT880s and T1s are likely within the accuracy of the measurement system. From what I remember, the DT880s had a bit more bass when I A-B'd them directly. YMMV.
 
Merry Christmas.
 

 

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My comments of the DT880s being "U" shaped and flabby were in comparison to the other headphones I've compared them to (HD600s and T1s namely).Not in absolute terms by any means. The metallic treble was something I couldn't get over so I sold them both (250 and 600ohms). It has nothing to do with my preferences, the HD800s (also have them here) are critiqued by some for being too bright...but I enjoy them and never found the treble "metallic" sounding.
 
It was this issue I had with the treble that made them sound more "U" like.  But if you're thinking the T1s and DT880s sound similar, trust me it's not the cables. The rather closeness of the bass measurements between the DT880s and T1s are likely within the accuracy of the measurement system. From what I remember, the DT880s had a bit more bass when I A-B'd them directly. YMMV.
 
Merry Christmas.
 

Okay, and the more colored the headphone used to compare the 880s too the more "U" shaped they become. It doesn't matter how you spin it, your original comment is still wrong.

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The T1s are far more balanced and neutral over the more "U" shaped DT880s.
 

Merry Christmas 

 

 

[MacedonianHero]

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Okay, and the more colored the headphone used to compare the 880s too the more "U" shaped they become. It doesn't matter how you spin it, your original comment is still wrong.

Merry Christmas 

 

I think you missed my comments completely (unless you find the DT880s more balanced than the HD600s or HD800s).

 
And Happy New Year.

 

 

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I think you missed my comments completely (unless you find the DT880s more balanced than the HD600s or HD800s).

 
And Happy New Year.

 

I do find the DT880s more balanced than the HD600, HD650 and T1.
 
A little background as to why I find the 880s better balanced and the T1s colored. When auditioning the T1 I had a few albums on hand (FLAC through foobar) that ultimately made my decision. Album-A would sound full bodied and musical on the T1 and would be thin and lackluster (perhaps metallic) on the 880. Album-B would be full bodied and musical on the T1 and full bodied and musical on the 880. From that I concluded the T1s were adding, or coloring the sound too much while the 880s were displaying the faults.
 
While 99 out of a 100 people may take the T1 for it's better sound through-out I want my albums that sound bad and metallic to continue to sound bad and metallic.
 
Happy Kwanzaa. 

 

[MacedonianHero]

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I do find the DT880s more balanced than the HD600, HD650 and T1.
 
A little background as to why I find the 880s better balanced and the T1s colored. When auditioning the T1 I had a few albums on hand (FLAC through foobar) that ultimately made my decision. Album-A would sound full bodied and musical on the T1 and would be thin and lackluster (perhaps metallic) on the 880. Album-B would be full bodied and musical on the T1 and full bodied and musical on the 880. From that I concluded the T1s were adding, or coloring the sound too much while the 880s were displaying the faults.
 
While 99 out of a 100 people may take the T1 for it's better sound through-out I want my albums that sound bad and metallic to continue to sound bad and metallic.
 
Happy Kwanzaa. 

 
 
Unfortunately for me, the DT880s were the only headphones I had that made a good portion of my albums sound metallic. Silly me, I thought it was the headphones. Oh...and let's not forget Festivus.
 
 

 

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Unfortunately for me, the DT880s were the only headphones I had that made a good portion of my albums sound metallic. Silly me, I thought it was the headphones. Oh...and let's not forget Festivus.

Finally we have arrived!
 
So without any further delay; between the DT880 and the T1 which is the closer to neutral?

 

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So you're saying the people who like the 880 more are just poor?
I had the money to buy the T1, but I went with the 880 because I liked it more.  My budget was essentially unlimited, and I chose the DT880 anyway, even over all the 1k headphones.
Why?

• Good response across the spectrum
• Open
• Ruler-flat phase (no other non-planar headphone can claim this)
• Great square-wave reproduction
• Well-tuned and dampened driver
• Light-weight
• Not terribly low-efficiency
• Good synergy with most amps.

The first essentially cuts my choices down to the DT-880 LCD-2, LCD-3, HD-800, T1, HE-6, HE-500, HE-4, and a few others.
The second rules everything but essentially those on the list.
The third rules out everything but the LCD-2, LCD-3, and DT-880 (All of Hifiman's headphones have inverted phase)
The fourth changes nothing.
The fifth changes nothing, but WOULD rule out the T1 if it wasn't already ruled out because the T1's driver is really floppy.
The sixth rules out the LCD-2 and LCD-3 (I have to wear them 18 hours a day because of my job)
What does that leave?
 
And that's why I made my choice.

Which version of DT-880 did you use? 32, 250 und 600 Ohm / Edition, Manufaktur, Pro - many of variants
Which version of DT-880 sounds best, or nearest to K/Q701 or D7000?
Have you compared your DT880 to K/Q701 K702 or D7000?
 

 

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Which version of DT-880 did you use? 32, 250 und 600 Ohm / Edition, Manufaktur, Pro - many of variants
Which version of DT-880 sounds best, or nearest to K/Q701 or D7000?
Have you compared your DT880 to K/Q701 K702 or D7000?
 

I have the 600 Ohm Edition.  The DT880/600 has surpassed the k702 as my favorite set of cans.  They sound very similar to the k702, except with punchy, deep, extremely tightly controlled bass and without that weird plasticky edge on the mid-highs.  The treble presentation is otherwise very, very similar.  They're essentially the k702 with all the problems I had with them fixed.
I don't think you can go wrong.

 

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I have the 600 Ohm Edition.  The DT880/600 has surpassed the k702 as my favorite set of cans.  They sound very similar to the k702, except with punchy, deep, extremely tightly controlled bass and without that weird plasticky edge on the mid-highs.  The treble presentation is otherwise very, very similar.  They're essentially the k702 with all the problems I had with them fixed.
I don't think you can go wrong.

 
The frequence response of the DT880/600 (blue line) seems me the flattest of all in bass and mids


 
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i just bought myself a DT800/600.. anyone can recommend me an amps that goes well with this? =p

 

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I have the 600 Ohm Edition.  The DT880/600 has surpassed the k702 as my favorite set of cans.  They sound very similar to the k702, except with punchy, deep, extremely tightly controlled bass and without that weird plasticky edge on the mid-highs.  The treble presentation is otherwise very, very similar.  They're essentially the k702 with all the problems I had with them fixed.
I don't think you can go wrong.

Hum i have Both too i agree that they are a bit similar , but on my system treble is not really the same on DT-880 they are more proeminent (wich give sensation of more clarity and details but it's just an impression) , bass impact is about the same level than K702 ... just peraphs a tad more , for me they are more similar on bass than on highs , mediums is the most noticeable difference , K702 have a more forward and warmer midrange , DT-880 in comparaison is a bit recessed here . Soudstage is  larger on K702 and more right / left oriented . I don't have any problem with plastiky mids highs on my full burned K702 (+ 900 h ...) .
 
They are colder than K702 and it's not a fixed K702 for me . i Would like K702 Mids , DT-880 Highs , and a mix of their bass .
 
 

 

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Trust me...I've owned the 250 and 600 (and heard the 32) and NONE were even close to the T1s in terms of balance!!! Not close.
 
I suggest you listen to the T1s before making such commments...it can really confuse others.

 
 

peter is absolutely right. I had them both at the same time. The t1 is the best balanced and most neutral sounding headphone I own. The 880 while a very good headphone and it is a good headphone is simply not in the league of the T1. It does not have the speed or transparency of the T1 and is a nice headphone but the T1 is a great headphone.