so any info about WA5-LE vs WA22-SE???  also i assume it will cost more than 5k USD as it will need (to show full potential) their finest tube sets.
 
which might come around 2000-4000$ just like how it is on the WA5-LE and Taka set.
 
 
WA5-LE and best tubes = ~8000$ (without internal upgrade)
 
WA22-SE and best tubes? = ~ ..... i am sure it will be a crazy number even for me :' )
 
 
one day woo audio will be for rich people, not users with good jobs :' )
 
 
anyway i started to doubt that WA22-SE fully upgraded (in case the tube options will be expensive like WA5-LE) to justify the price vs WA5-LE fully upgraded. 

shini44 said:

so any info about WA5-LE vs WA22-SE???  also i assume it will cost more than 5k USD as it will need (to show full potential) their finest tube sets.

which might come around 2000-4000$ just like how it is on the WA5-LE and Taka set.


WA5-LE and best tubes = ~8000$ (without internal upgrade)

WA22-SE and best tubes? = ~ ..... i am sure it will be a crazy number even for me :' )


one day woo audio will be for rich people, not users with good jobs :' )


anyway i started to doubt that WA22-SE fully upgraded (in case the tube options will be expensive like WA5-LE) to justify the price vs WA5-LE fully upgraded. 

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I really don't think WA5-LE owners have to be worried about the WA22-SE sounding better.
If it is 6BL7 power tubes that the WA22-SE is using then the power tubes are not going to beat 300B's. 4 6BL7's get close but not better.

My WA22 uses 4 6BL7's and I listen to Tony's 300B amp semi regularly. To my ears 300B's bring a lot of extra everything to the mix.

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I really don't think WA5-LE owners have to be worried about the WA22-SE sounding better.
 

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so i guess 5k$ + few not this expensive tubes? is what WA22-SE will buyers got to spend?
 
 
not bad i guess as WA5-LE users need at least 7-8k$ to make WA5-LE reach the full potential. 
 
 
just bought WA5-LE you know. was worried XD  i spent like 6300$ and no TA-247 yet, although i think i don't need it. 

shini44 said:

so i guess 5k$ + few not this expensive tubes? is what WA22-SE will buyers got to spend?


not bad i guess as WA5-LE users need at least 7-8k$ to make WA5-LE reach the full potential. 


just bought WA5-LE you know. was worried XD  i spent like 6300$ and no TA-247 yet, although i think i don't need it. 

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I think the WA22-SE at $5K is going to be a hard sell.
Especially when the standard WA22 is $2K and can also run 4 6BL7 tubes.

no idea why woo audio made it 5000$ , maybe they have a lot of people who will buy cause they think latest/higher in price = better?  guess their marketing is working. i mean look at JH audio for example, not the best (IMO) but a lot think it is because of the price and how famous it is.
 
 
 
btw people planing to burn in the TA-300B on the WA5-LE v2
 
so 8-9 hours then 1 hour break? then resume for a 2nd session? each day.
 
i recall maximum is 10 hours right? 
 
 
Update: oh it is 8-10 hours,
 
checking on the amp from time to time ofc

Re: WA22-SE looking forward to more impressions. I'm too invested in my WA5 I doubt I would shift gear. If I got rid of the WA5 I would probably be exiting tube amps completely. I'm hoping the WA22-SE is worth $5k to people and that it sounds that good. If it can be beat by a WA22 or it comes very close at a much cheaper rate running 4 6BL7 then I would expect most who are reading this thread and shopping would go for the cheaper option. I'll get the change to hear it in a couple month.
 
@Shini44 with 70 hrs burnin on your 300B what is your initial impression? Just curious as I have heard other comments that they are kind of crappy until they're fully burned in which would be the 300-500 hour mark. When I was burning in my EML 300B I run at 4 hrs and take a break for a couple hours. At least in the info supplied from EML labs they said it's better on those tubes. I suppose if it's not mentioned with the TA300B then you're fine running 8-10 hrs at a stretch.
 
Anyone picked up the new revision of the Elrogs yet? Would be curious to hear impressions here. I suppose really the main issue is did they fix the short life span issues? and that can't be answered except in time.

I'm running the new Elrog now on my Glenn 300B, I'll report back if there's any problem.

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@Shini44 with 70 hrs burnin on your 300B what is your initial impression? Just curious as I have heard other comments that they are kind of crappy until they're fully burned in which would be the 300-500 hour mark. When I was burning in my EML 300B I run at 4 hrs and take a break for a couple hours. At least in the info supplied from EML labs they said it's better on those tubes. I suppose if it's not mentioned with the TA300B then you're fine running 8-10 hrs at a stretch.
 

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Equipment:
Hugo TT DAC, and HE-6. Rectifier tubes: Mullard gz34 metal base. 
 
Disclaimer:
i was running job 225 speaker amp before the WA5-LE so i don't expect to be wowed until the burn in is completed (320 hours)
 
First impressions:
 
as i had only one session (5-6 hours) i still think that the brain (regardless the burn in time) need time to adjust to the sound. specially the mids, as they won't sound as smooth, dense and liquid like on the first session. first session on 70 hours TA-300B isn't something super
 
the mids feels thin or not with full body but this is the case with any tube on the 1st session (Brimar 5gzy for example) the sound stage isn't opened yet. the bass punch still not super and the speed isn't the best either. the Treble lack the air (i am a Treble head) and don't feel fully extended yet. but again a lot said that this tube sound not so high end on its first 200 hours at least. 
 
TL;DR  its not bad, its not super, yet not making me moved or excited with my J-pop. so definitely need like extra 250 hours.
 
The potential:
 
while its seemed good, i felt like the tube is showing me a glimpse of its potential, yes it is not convincing atm but its like getting in a spar or a friendly boxing match while what is waiting in the end or long run is a furies title match were the real deal will be shown.
 
PS: sorry about the long answer, i felt like typing what i think since the pair cost 1800$ or something and few people want extra details.
 
 

khragon said:

I'm running the new Elrog now on my Glenn 300B, I'll report back if there's any problem.

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how long does Elrog need before they break in??? 200 hours?? also you got them from tube usa right? or? their latest patch arrived just after i bought the TA-300B ;' ) ouch.
 
keep us updated please <3  i will a buy a pair sometime later as well. 

badas said:

You are probably like me. One you kit out a WA22 with nice tubes and it is sounding real good then who cares about other tube amps?
I'm real happy with how my WA22 is sounding now. So why change?

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If the price was reasonable I would look at the WA22SE. $5k+ plus tubes isn't reasonable.

badas said:

My WA22 uses 4 6BL7's and I listen to Tony's 300B amp semi regularly. To my ears 300B's bring a lot of extra everything to the mix.

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Have you recently changed your mind? I thought you said the two amps sounded very close?

I got mine after 3 months wait for the RMA from the first purchase from trueaudiophile.

jerick70 said:

If the price was reasonable I would look at the WA22SE. $5k+ plus tubes isn't reasonable.

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i had WA7, then WA7tp and now WA5-LE v2
 
if its something i know about woo audio and stock tubes,  its that the stock tubes are so so bad (IMO) compared to the next upgrade option (100$ on WA7 and 330-660$ on WA5-LE)
 
some people might be happy with what they hear but when they switch to the next tube they are shocked by the difference most of the time if not always.
 
 
so never expect to buy a woo audio product and not to be spending on tubes later on, from 100-200$ at least. 
 
tubes amp shine and scale a lot with the better tubes. 
 

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I got mine after 3 months wait for the RMA from the first purchase from trueaudiophile.

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its the new edition right? did you ask about how better they are compared the 1st patch? which had many fail on different occasions ;' )  at least two tubes on head-fi alone.
 
i think they look with different base as well. feel free to share some photos for the base etc. and to post impressions over time >=)

shini44 said:

  i had WA7, then WA7tp and now WA5-LE v2
 
if its something i know about woo audio and stock tubes,  its that the stock tubes are so so bad (IMO) compared to the next upgrade option (100$ on WA7 and 330-660$ on WA5-LE)
 
some people might be happy with what they hear but when they switch to the next tube they are shocked by the difference most of the time if not always.

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After reading about as many reviews as there are available on the internet I was under the impression the WA7 stocks are warmer sounding while still being fairly competitive in comparison to the gold Electro Harmonix upgrades - would you say this is inaccurate? I've had my WA7 for going up at about two months now and I've considered buying the $100 upgrades as they are cheap but seeing as I own a couple bright/treble emphasized headphones that I find benefit from some extra "tube magic" I've postponed the idea and stuck with the stocks (and just used other amps with less revealing/sharp cans).
 
You seem to have vast tube experience which I absolutely do not so if you deem them much better all things considered I'll buy a matched pair right now as I want the best out of the amp.

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After reading about as many reviews as there are available on the internet I was under the impression the WA7 stocks are warmer sounding while still being fairly competitive in comparison to the gold Electro Harmonix upgrades - would you say this is inaccurate? I've had my WA7 for going up at about two months now and I've considered buying the $100 upgrades as they are cheap but seeing as I own a couple bright/treble emphasized headphones that I find benefit from some extra "tube magic" I've postponed the idea and stuck with the stocks (and just used other amps with less revealing/sharp cans).
 
You seem to have vast tube experience which I absolutely do not so if you deem them much better all things considered I'll buy a matched pair right now as I want the best out of the amp.

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wanted to note that the EH tubes are more on the neutral side, and yes you will notice the Treble there is different. you can say you will get extra dynamic.
 
some people don't like their AKG headphones with the EH tubes. in the end its depend on preference and also the headphone. TH900/TH600 sound ultra good with the EH tubes and benefit more from them when you compared it with stock tubes. while headphones like AKG, and similar types might feel bright, not all the headphones are the same ofc.
 
 
so if you want to avoid adding air to the Treble but still want a very nice upgrade then i highly suggest you try WA7to with mullard cv4003, they are the best tubes when it comes to "liquid, smooth and detailed"  best all rounder tube on the WA7tp but i assure you that the difference i day and night level, not just noticeable or small. i had mine paired with EH tubes as well and had RCA clear top as well. the EH + RCA was dynamic and bright. EH + Mullard cv4003 was on neutral/warm side but without lacking details or making EH tubes sound bright on some cans.
 
but if you don't wana get WA7tp, the only option you might have is the EH tubes which again will sound bright or some cans.  yes its sad that WA7 alone don't have many options ;' )
 
i live in Dubai and bought WA7 at least three times to experiment with the tubes. but ofc worth it as i always want answers.
 
 
P.S: sorry about the long post, just wanted to save you searching time and give you the best available options ^^ 

shini44 said:

  P.S: sorry about the long post, just wanted to save you searching time and give you the best available options ^^ 

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Not at all, I appreciate the lengthy explanation - I try and research every possible option best I can so indeed you did save me a lot of time and I am thankful for that.
 
I do not own the tube PSU yet, as it was my first Woo amp I wanted to see what it actually sounded like before purchasing upgrades, though I probably will get the 7tp once budget allows (have been upgrading more relevant parts of my chain for now).
 
"liquid, detailed and smooth" sounds right up my alley so the 7tp with the cv4003 should be ideal, I'm fairly treble sensitive but as said if buy the EH for now and my brighter cans (HD800, T90) sound too harsh and fatiguing with it I'll just use another amp for them or use the stocks if I plan to do longer listening sessions with those specific headphones. No harm done. Though sad indeed that the actual WA7 doesn't have more options it can also be a blessing in the sense that I won't become obsessed with tube rolling (I know I would). 
 
My other headphones are fairly neutral-warm and get a lot more use than the aforementioned 2 either way, HE-400S, latest rev LCD-2Fs, NightHawks, so they should pair well with the EH correct? Cool of you to mention the TH900 as well seeing as I've been looking to buy high-end closed backs for a long while now (along with the Ether C, though I think the TH900 will fit my sonic preferences better), they're beautiful.
 
Thank you again for the detailed information!