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post #16 of 64
that's an interesting find denp. i didn't really notice a difference with soundstage between the two. i felt both had pretty good soundstage. good to finally hear someone else who shares similar findings between the two.
post #17 of 64
fwiw, the same dac (minus the usb part):

Toslink / Coax Digital Input Line Level Output Converter | MCM Custom Audio | 50-7774 / TC-7510

a bit cheaper for basically the same dac unit (just more direct from the actual maker and not from a rebadger)
post #18 of 64
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^That's the TC7510, but still, a steal at the price. BTW, the headamp in the the 7520 is supposed to be the huge upgrade from the 7510.

EDIT: At any rate, I think the TC7520 is an excellent value as compared to other hifi equipment out there. It does its job (making my music sound awesome) very well, and I'm comfortable dropping $250 on this excellent DAC that will serve me for a long, long time.

EDIT2: If anyone has any questions about this unit, I'd be more than happy to answer.
post #19 of 64
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Originally Posted by LingLing1337 View Post
^That's the TC7510, but still, a steal at the price. BTW, the headamp in the the 7520 is supposed to be the huge upgrade from the 7510.

At any rate, I think the TC7520 is an excellent value as compared to other hifi equipment out there. It does its job (making my music sound awesome) very well, and I'm comfortable dropping $250 on this excellent DAC that will serve me for a long, long time.
x2 agreed. i think linuxworks (and others) just can't get over the fact that a simple designed and executed dac could possibly sound good (same goes for heed haters). yeah, it probably doesn't have the best dac chip out there or whatever quality parts in there, but it sure as hell sounds good. i just don't get why people bash things and make assumptions when they haven't even heard them.

linuxworks, i would be glad to do a comparison of the $100 ebay dac you mentioned in the other thread if you are up for it and send it to me. if i decide i like it and that it sounds better i will pay you plus the shipping cost.
post #20 of 64
People's dislike of Beresford is probably due to the earlier scandal with Stan, owner of Beresford, self promoting his products on head-fi using several accounts while each claiming they're not in anyway connected to Beresford or know each other. Name calling by Stan was often involved when head-fiers accuse these accounts as shills. Moreover, these "people" which were the same person, often demoted other products claiming that the Beresford sounds much better.
post #21 of 64
i am aware of the Beresford scandal. i don't really see it as a scandal though, i see it more of as a bad marketing decision on Stan's part. what he did was unethical, unprofessional, and tragic because he really did (or did not as others have mentioned; rebadged?) come up with a superb product in the end. it's just a pity he didn't let the product speak for itself. but as for the people bashing things based on assumption without giving it a listen is essentially the same thing and they aren't any different than what Stan was.
post #22 of 64
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People's dislike of Beresford is probably due to the earlier scandal with Stan, owner of Beresford, self promoting his products on head-fi using several accounts while each claiming they're not in anyway connected to Beresford or know each other. Name calling by Stan was often involved when head-fiers accuse these accounts as shills. Moreover, these "people" which were the same person, often demoted other products claiming that the Beresford sounds much better.

oh you mean like how the audio-gd products are being marketed here except the MO is presumably with folks getting discounts in exchange for highlighting and marketing the product. An indirect form of shilling.


I see the audio-gd stuff being recommended for almost every thread that asks for one, like as if it were some kind of panacea. Nobody has even heard one and speculates "Oh that is going to be awesome".."but only after a year and half of burn in time".

Newcomers really ought to do their homework better. There are so many wonderful designs and products out there.
post #23 of 64
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oh you mean like how the audio-gd products are being marketed here except the MO is presumably with folks getting discounts in exchange for highlighting and marketing the product. An indirect form of shilling.


I see the audio-gd stuff being recommended for almost every thread that asks for one, like as if it were some kind of panacea. Nobody has even heard one and speculates "Oh that is going to be awesome".."but only after a year and half of burn in time".

Newcomers really ought to do their homework better. There are so many wonderful designs and products out there.
I'm not aware of that as I haven't been looking through Audio Gd products.
post #24 of 64
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oh you mean like how the audio-gd products are being marketed here except the MO is presumably with folks getting discounts in exchange for highlighting and marketing the product. An indirect form of shilling.
You're way off, I'm afraid. Although I can understand why someone would think this. Appearances can be deceiving.

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I see the audio-gd stuff being recommended for almost every thread that asks for one, like as if it were some kind of panacea. Nobody has even heard one and speculates "Oh that is going to be awesome".."but only after a year and half of burn in time".
Well, I hope you can see through the fanboyism. I would agree with you that it is cluttering the forums a little. All the more reason why Audio-gd should get a sponsor forum. (Getting there, I believe.)

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Newcomers really ought to do their homework better. There are so many wonderful designs and products out there.
Here's hoping for many more HiFi inventors, arising from the wastelands of Guiyu.
post #25 of 64
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linuxworks, i would be glad to do a comparison of the $100 ebay dac you mentioned in the other thread if you are up for it and send it to me. if i decide i like it and that it sounds better i will pay you plus the shipping cost.
I'm not the dac maker or seller! and I'm not sending you MY unit. get your own!

seriously - just buy one and try it. I already have at least 5 dacs at home (if not more) and the last thing I need is a cheapie $100 dac when I already have things that have better internals than this one does.

at least realize that the beresford guy has nothing to do with these units in terms of design or manufacture and he's been BANNED from at least 2 audio forums.

if you still want to patronize a company like that, that's your business; but I'm convinced its nothing special, in design or build (especially build).
post #26 of 64
i would like to know at least what it's called. i have no idea what to look for except for a dac on ebay that's listed for around $100.

also if you could provide a link that states beresford has nothing to do with the dac would be appreciated as well. not like it really matters, but i would like to know. i tried a search but couldn't find anything.

when i speak of the beresford, i do not speak for the company but for the dac itself because i truly believe it is an excellent dac. as for the company, i did have positive experience with them. they have excellent customer service and replied to my emails promptly and professionally.
post #27 of 64
you can find that guy's kit via a fleabay search on:

CS8416+CS8421+CS4398

seller is gigawork but there are others who also have that dac.
post #28 of 64
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Originally Posted by SemiAudiophile View Post
also if you could provide a link that states beresford has nothing to do with the dac would be appreciated as well. not like it really matters, but i would like to know. i tried a search but couldn't find anything.
all you had to do was SEARCH. was that so hard? seriously.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f7/que...esford-381839/

this one in particular:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f7/que...ml#post5383209



We do not sell this product. You can purchase it (house-labeled Beresford) from a UK dealer; his eBay listing link is below. He's the reason we no longer carry this model; his continual tinkering with the product design (currently up to "Version 6, MOD21"), pumping of his "improvements" on audio forums, and insistence on a higher price (we sold this for $129; he complained loudly to TEC) led to us discontinuing it almost two years ago. The manufacturer has recently told us that this may soon no longer be available labeled TEC, because they receive almost no orders from their other distributors (I imagine they found it just as annoying to deal with Beresford undermining the product's stability as we did).


he's been caught lying before and the fact that the unit is sourced entirely outside his chain should be proof enough for you.

its designed and built in china. NOT in the UK even with the fake british 'analogue' spelling on the panels.


edit: found the manuf website:

http://php2.twinner.com.tw/site/prod...assify_SN=6230

if the link does not work, search for tc-7510 on http://www.technolink.com.tw/

looks VERY much like the 'beresford' dac, doesn't it? doesn't it??
post #29 of 64
i had a feeling the dac was built and manufactured by TEC or JEC a taiwanese company. i think i remember somewhere a very long time ago that said that. i also have a TC-760LC phono stage that i bought from phonopreamps.com, their US distributor. i didn't say you were wrong. true or not true, it is good to hear both sides of a story. for now i will refer to the dac as the TC-7520. regardless of who builds or designs it, the TC-7520 is a good dac. period.

though stan may have not designed it, he did mod it from TC7510 to the current TC7520, which i believe is a significant step up. so i'll give him credit for that. he's essentially doing the same thing Ori did with the Zhaolu's, which isn't a bad thing. the bad part was when he claimed to have designed and built it himself.
post #30 of 64
it looks like there was a usb to spdif converter block that was put in place of one of the opto-in blocks. could that be the only change from the 10 to the 20? I've only seen 1 or 2 photos and its hard to tell - but it does look like the round hole was filed to fit the toslink and that it used the common BB chip to convert usb to spdif, then that was sent into one of the existing digital in's.
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