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post #2791 of 2802
Yeah thats exactly what Im going to do, try the realiser first with the hd650 and then upgrade. Also a buttkicker, but Im not sure about that.

In the hdmi case, dont worry Im good, my geforce 660 have 7.1 ouput, also the software to decode dts and dd, so, no problem in that regard.

Thank you so much!
post #2792 of 2802

Ok, I understand how this all works and is connected.

I also see there is a dealer in Germany where I could try this system out first to see if I like it because there is a software-only system on this forum that I tried and didn't like at all.

 

But what I am curious to know about is:

 

How do people go about taking their in-ear measurements of speaker setups they want to hear.

 

For example, we have a big theatre that has Dolby Atmos not far from where I live.

Can you simply go in there and reord the sound from a film and do you have to be alone in the room or doesn't it matter if there is sound from other people?

Or do specific test tones have to be recorded.

 

If I'd buy a Realiser I would like to record the sound of a top-end B&W setup and Sonus Faber setup I know I can have access to and try to find a way to record in the Atmos theatre.

 

So how does the recording need to be done and how did you guys go about it short from traveling around the globe to the few places that deliver this specific service?

post #2793 of 2802

Read:

http://www.smyth-research.com/technology.html   ("The measurements" section already tells everything you asked!!)

http://www.smyth-research.com/downloads/A8manual.pdf

...and many reviews around for it which explain these things in quite detail

 

You need to have Realiser with you when taking measurements and output the test tones from it's RCA outputs for all 2-8 channels. Obviously a huge undertaking in a real theatre (you would need to rent it for few hours, roll 50 meters of cables, find a mixing desk etc..). I don't think many people care for a "real theater sound" anyway, it's gimmicky to me (too much reverb etc). And it sounds funny to your brain when listening to it in a small home.

 

So unless you have a friend or hifishop locally who lets you use their speakers, you can always rent a recording studio for an hour or two. But you need to learn how to operate and measure properly yourself. Only other alternatives is to go to the handful of places on planet which provide "Realiser services". I think the official German place takes some absurd fee like 800€, but you decide if it's fine for the convenience.


Edited by hekeli - 4/13/15 at 9:04am
post #2794 of 2802
Skip all these expensive measurements and  get your own PRIR that represents your current system setup.

I have a small home theater with a slight acoustic treatment and 5.1 Pioneer SP-PK52FS, all being captured by the Realiser .

The result is impressive with my denon 7000; now I have the sound of my speakers all inside my headphone cups. Cool!
Edited by nassq8 - 4/18/15 at 1:51pm
post #2795 of 2802
Getting measurements done at a much higher end studio like AIX Records makes a huge difference. I can't emphasize enough how big a difference in sound quality it makes.

You can always measure your own home set up, but if you even remotely have a chance to get your PRIR measured at a really high end set up, just do it.
post #2796 of 2802
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Originally Posted by Edwood View Post

Getting measurements done at a much higher end studio like AIX Records makes a huge difference. I can't emphasize enough how big a difference in sound quality it makes.

You can always measure your own home set up, but if you even remotely have a chance to get your PRIR measured at a really high end set up, just do it.


I agree.  I have measurements from AIX and another from a friend's 2 channel mastering studio.  It makes a huge difference and is well worth the effort and expense.  That being said, learning to measure your own system is helpful if you go to a studio or showroom that won't take the measurements for you.

post #2797 of 2802

Sure, I've tested various PRIRs made by other, the greatest one was "Sonus Faber Room" made by Darinf. However, the most realistic PRIR for me is the one I made. If the access to such expensive setups is difficult, just make your own if you have a decent full range speakers system. 


Edited by nassq8 - 4/18/15 at 3:31pm
post #2798 of 2802

Yep, if I would get me a realizer, the whole idea would be to record a true movies theater and two epexnsive stereo setups. I wouldn't be buying this to record my own home cinema, I can simly listen to that one without headphones.

But it seems recording in a movie theater is nearly impossible since I believe the test signals come from the realiser and that would need a long run of cables.

And one needs a mixing desk as well? Not sure why that would be needed though.


Edited by AppleheadMay - 4/19/15 at 12:04am
post #2799 of 2802
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And one needs a mixing desk as well? Not sure why that would be needed though.

 

What I referred as "mixing desk" was just something that you can hook up the signals to. I have no idea how audio is setup in a real theatre, but sometimes finding suitable analog inputs is a real pain - there might even not be any analog inputs if everything is handled digitally (or they are hidden in the racks with impossible access), so you might need own multichannel analog to digital converter etc. Studios use mainly XLR, there you need suitable RCA->XLR cables/converters etc.


Edited by hekeli - 4/19/15 at 12:29am
post #2800 of 2802
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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post
 

 

What I referred as "mixing desk" was just something that you can hook up the signals to. I have no idea how audio is setup in a real theatre, but sometimes finding suitable analog inputs is a real pain - there might even not be any analog inputs if everything is handled digitally (or they are hidden in the racks with impossible access), so you might need own multichannel analog to digital converter etc. Studios use mainly XLR, there you need suitable RCA->XLR cables/converters etc.

 

Ah, I see. But for the rest it's hooking up the Realisers's 8 channels, playing the test tones twice for a few minutes and done as I understood from his site?

And a nice run of cables like you said.

Would be swell though to record a Dolby Atmos movie theatre and be able to replicate that at home with a pair of good headphones.

What headphones do you use with the realiser by the way? Something with a wide soundstage or doesn't that really matter?

post #2801 of 2802
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Originally Posted by AppleheadMay View Post
 

 

Ah, I see. But for the rest it's hooking up the Realisers's 8 channels, playing the test tones twice for a few minutes and done as I understood from his site?

And a nice run of cables like you said.

Would be swell though to record a Dolby Atmos movie theatre and be able to replicate that at home with a pair of good headphones.

What headphones do you use with the realiser by the way? Something with a wide soundstage or doesn't that really matter?

 

Well yeah basically it goes like that. One need a bit of practise to be able to handle the whole operation smoothly, speaker angles need to be setup right etc. There's lots of button pushing and different modes of operation that need to be understood well for optimum results.

 

Headphone talk you can find lots in this thread. Preferably you need good open ones with linear frequency and minimal distortion, Stax, HD800 etc.

post #2802 of 2802

Thanks for the info! Reading up a bit on the manual. I can see experimenting at home first would be wise before trying to take it further and record in an actual theater.

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