REVIEW: Comparison of tips (A LOT of PNG files)
Jan 9, 2009 at 9:01 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 12

Hung0702

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Hey everyone. I haven't seen too many reviews on ear tips, and I'm home for winter break, so here's one by me. The next two paragraphs are summary by brief experience with higher definition audio. Skip to the big "Now" for the actual review.

I'm relatively new to Head-fi. Being an 18 year-old student with NO income has hampered my exploration of high definition audio equipment. My first IEMs were the original IEMs for the iPod (almost made me hate IEMs), given to me by my cousin. That was in 2005, With an Archos Gmini 220. In 2006, I purchased Altec Lansing's im616 for $40, about half of my monetary net worth. They sounded great—lacking bass surely, but good enough for what I was willing to spend.

Now, in 2009, I use Shure SCL4s that I purchased for $80 from Guitar Center. Again, about half my monetary net worth (actually, the financial aid I received was pretty substantial and the Shures were a drop in the bucket). I listen to them with my iPod Touch, 2nd gen (bought for basic PDA functionality, not sound quality). I can recognize the difference between WAV and 320 kb MP3 audio, but seeing as how an all-you-can-hear music subscription is only $15 per month, I listen to mostly 128-160 kb WMA files, occasionally torrenting MP3s to put on the iPod).

[size=x-large]Now[/size] that I've gotten that out of the way, let's get on with the actual review. The tips I'm using are the shown below in the following order (from left to right): small Shure olives, Shure Yellow foam, medium small Shure stock, Klipsch gel biflanges, Altec Lansing triflanges, Shure triflanges.

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All of these tips fit on the Shure SCL4 (which I will refer to as the E4s from this point forward), though some better than others. The olives, which seem to stretch, fit better than the Yellows, which are rigid. The Shure stock and triflange fit rather tightly. The Altec Lansing triflanges fit far too loosely, but will not fall out without use. The Klipsch fit well and seem loose, but have yet to fall out (more on this later)

I will present my findings in two forms: a description of comfort, effect, and opinion; and a chart grading each tip in several aspects. Testing rig: E4c 72+ hour burn-in, 8GB iPod Touch 2 or GIGABYTE P45 UD3R on-board audio, iBasso P2 amp (on loan and well burned-in).

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Firstly, the foamies.

[size=large]Foam Tips[/size]

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Most Shure users prefer foam tips as they create the best isolation and allow for an appropriate seal. The olives created a better seal. Isolation was almost idential, the olives marginally better. I can only assume that the shiny side of the Yellows are supposed to face your ear. Sound quality was good, but not best. The sibilance was high and the bass was good. I have my suspicions about why the sibiliance was so high, but it's hard to describe. Perhaps the tip placed the tube too deeply in the ear. When I positioned the foamies only half-way down the tube, the harshness disappeared and the bass was greater in quantity.

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Next, I tried the Shure stock.

[size=large]Shure Stock Tips[/size]

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I hated the Shure stock. None of the sizes worked. When they were shallowly placed, the bass was mediocre and the sibilance was present, but less harsh than the foamies. When I placed them deeper in the ear, the bass disappeared and all I heard were muffled highs. I suspect that the hollow nature of the buds caused them to collapse when positioned deeply.

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This eliminated the seal and I couldn't get proper bass production. I tried positioning the tip halfway down the tube, like with the foamies, and it sealed fine. I think the half of the tip that isn't touching the tube was allowed to contract, so the outside didn't collapse. Regardless, the bass was only mediocre and the treble was harsh.

I'll go back to the Klipsch tips in a second and will discuss the triflanges in this section.

[size=large]Triflange Tips[/size]

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The Altec Lansing tips were unusable. They were not designed for use on the E4s. I had to wear the IEMs over-the-ear in order to test out the Altec Lansings. The seal was good and they sounded as good as the foamies, but could not penetrate deeply (teehee) into my ear and were mildly uncomfortable (they felt fine on the im617s).

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The Shure triflanges inserted well, but the highs sound muffled. Nothing sounds bright and the bass was on par with the Altec Lansings. The seal was terrific, but caused a problem when taking them out (Ouch!).

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The triflanges support my suspicion that the further away the tube is placed from the ear, the stronger the bass presence and the weaker the harshness.

Finally, the Klipsch biflanges, my favorite.

[size=large]Klipsch Tips[/size]

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A relative who owns the X5s but can't stand to wear multi-flanges gave them to me. They feel terrific, seemingly disappearing after a few minutes of wear. After several hours of listening, however, the ridges started to feel sharp and dug into my ear (they don't feel sharp initially, but my inner ear was probably tender from 6+ hours of music). They sound the same as the foamies, but have the isolation and bass of the Altec Lansings. They fit somewhat loosely on the ports, but have yet to come loose once in about a week of constant (not frequent, literally constant) use. They penetrate quite deeply (teehee) into my ear, but I'm not worried about them coming loose.

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I decided to keep them at the half-way mark on the ports, solving the sibilance issue. There is a small cutaway on the inside to fit Klipsch tubes, but the small ridge on the E4 tube also fits the small ridge and keeps the tip firmly in place. It's as if Klipsch designed these tips to be used half-way on the E4s! These are my favorite tips. I also used them on the im617s with just as favorable results.

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1=Worst of the 6, 10=Best of the 6


Note on cleaning: they all suck to clean. You can throw away the foamies, or wash them in warm water and save $.50. I use bar soap rather than hand soap or dish detergent on the other tips.

I love the Klipsch tips and use them exclusively. They feel great and isolate well. The distance created by the tip between the driver and my inner ear is perfect as to muffle sibilance while keeping the highs bright, and produce a fair amount of bass (I'm sure the lack of bass is mostly due to the E4s). I'd recommend these tips for any IEMs that they can outfit.

Anyone else use Klipsch tips, either people who use Klipsch phones or just like the tips? I'm content with my current tips, but I'll definitely take into consideration any recommendations anyone has.
 
Jan 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM Post #4 of 12
I've received the SCL3 (white) on the $60 special, and I have found the opposite as you, and it is completely based on size and shape of each individual's ear canal.
My canal opening is very small and I have not been able to use ANY of the tips that came with them EXCEPT the smallest gray soft tips.
And even with those I can't wear the phones for longer than 15-20 minutes.

The only tips that are more comfortable are the opaque tri-flange tips, but they are so long.
They cause the earphone to stick out of my outer ear too far. If I knew that I was keeping these phones, I would cut the tri-flange down to a dual-flange with a shorter tube length.

The SCL3 is my first experience with armature IEMs, and I really love the clarity and accuracy:
-- bass is fine and isolation is excellent when I get a good fit with the smallest gray tips
-- and I would keep them IF I could wear them longer than 20 minutes at a time!!

I'm tempted to return/exchange them for the SCL4 for $20 more, and then work hard to find the right tip that gives me the best seal with comfort.
 
Jan 9, 2009 at 5:21 PM Post #5 of 12
I have no luck with the Klipsch double flanged tips. They feel really sharp and keep sliding out of ear canals.

Can anyone add the Comply tips to this comparison please? I'm not sure if I should get the Shure olive or Comply tips for my Custom 3's.
 
Jan 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM Post #6 of 12
Hung0702, thanks for the great writeup...

I would like to try some different tips (have olives and roadrunner triple flanges on order), and read the X10 and EX700 tips are excellent. Does anyone know where to buy the Klipsch and Sony tips? My google searches have turned up nada. And I did not see them on Ear Phone Solutions or Ear Plug Superstore.

I am looking at using these for the NE-7, IE8, and SCL4.
 
Jan 9, 2009 at 7:26 PM Post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by Motty /img/forum/go_quote.gif
very informative review, nice work.


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Originally Posted by walkingman /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Great comparison.

I too find Klipsch tips to be extremely comfortable, especially the large single-flange.



Thanks!

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Originally Posted by kmhaynes /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I've received the SCL3 (white) on the $60 special, and I have found the opposite as you, and it is completely based on size and shape of each individual's ear canal.
My canal opening is very small and I have not been able to use ANY of the tips that came with them EXCEPT the smallest gray soft tips.
And even with those I can't wear the phones for longer than 15-20 minutes.

The only tips that are more comfortable are the opaque tri-flange tips, but they are so long.
They cause the earphone to stick out of my outer ear too far. If I knew that I was keeping these phones, I would cut the tri-flange down to a dual-flange with a shorter tube length.

The SCL3 is my first experience with armature IEMs, and I really love the clarity and accuracy:
-- bass is fine and isolation is excellent when I get a good fit with the smallest gray tips
-- and I would keep them IF I could wear them longer than 20 minutes at a time!!

I'm tempted to return/exchange them for the SCL4 for $20 more, and then work hard to find the right tip that gives me the best seal with comfort.



It actually sounds like you've had the same experience as me! The smallest gray tips work, but the isolation isn't as good as with multi-flanges.

The triflanges also yield good isolation, but are very uncomfortable.

I actually wouldn't recommend the SCL4s are $80. They are a better deal than the SCL3s at the same price, but the Klipsch X5s at $125 or the Atrio M5s at $100 are better deals (albeit rare). Wait for another Klipsch 50% off or a 2x Atrio M5 for $200.
 
Jan 9, 2009 at 7:53 PM Post #10 of 12
Has anyone used custom tips for their Shures? I've been thinking about going to Sensaphonics and getting some made. The problem is I have no idea how much these would cost. Excluding the audiologist impression, $100, $150? They cost this guy $140, and he doesn't recommend them. The Westone custom sleeves run $120.

Anyone have any experience in these? Would you recommend them for $80 IEMs, or are they just not worth it?
 
Jan 10, 2009 at 10:06 AM Post #12 of 12
i dont think you can but...... if you go on thier website and "register the pair u bought" they will send a couple free pairs of tips, but prob not going to help hugly in finding out what kind is best for you, personally i found them all to be a knightmare, keeping a seal was impossible
 

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