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post #1 of 17209
Thread Starter 
To cut down on all the threads (darkest desires, thrash metal, black metal, death metal) I thought we should just used 1 big thread to keep discussion high and not have to search for one thread just to make a post about a death metal band.




List of Genres:


Death Metal
Death Metal
Technical Death Metal
Brutal Death Metal
Melodic Death Metal
melodeath/gothenburg
Deathgrind
Blackened Death Metal
Atmospheric Death Metal (questionable as to how real of a genre it is)
Symphonic Death Metal (see: Phlebotomized-Immense, Intense, Suspense)



Black Metal
Black Metal
1st Wave
2nd Wave
Raw Black Metal
Melodic Black Metal
Ambient Black Metal
Blackened Thrash Metal
Blackened Death Metal
Progressive Black Metal
Viking Metal
Blackened Folk



Thrash
Thrash
Technical Thrash
Brutal Thrash
Death/thrash
Early Bay Area Sound
Teutonic Sound
Thrash Revival sound



Doom Metal

Traditional Doom Metal
Heavy Doom Metal
Funeral Doom
Drone
Epic Doom Metal




Key Metal Scenes
NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal
Bay Area Thrash
Teutonic Thrash
Brazilian Blackened Thrash
2nd Wave of Black Metal (Norway)
Hellenic Black Metal
NYDM (New York Death Metal)
Florida Death Metal
Swedish Death Metal
LLN (The Black Legions)
Eastern European Black Metal/Blackened Folk Metal


Now is there anything you guys want to add to this?

Feel free to recommend bands for the key bands part, I know this is nothing great, but I hope it helps out the newbies
post #2 of 17209
Thread Starter 
reminder to self:

finish key bands part
post #3 of 17209
You definitely need Celtic Frost and Metallica. And before you say it...don't even start with me about Metallica sucking. Yeah, they suck now. But Kill 'em All is the thrash album that all the rest built upon. Any argument to the contrary is just elitism gone too far.
post #4 of 17209
I guess I'm not too far gone. I love the top 3; Sabbath, Priest , Maiden and Metallica too and have many of their albums. I also like Celtic Frost. I still have Into the Pandemonium but I've lost the Megatherion album somehow.
post #5 of 17209
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Originally Posted by ezkcdude View Post
But Kill 'em All is the thrash album that all the rest built upon. Any argument to the contrary is just elitism gone too far.
I won't have an argument about it, I'm just going to state that I disagree. I'm not knocking Kill 'em All in any way; I like a lot of Mustaine's body of work.


For the key bands section, you might you want to consider a few of the other 70s acts aside from BS that were relatively important. That hard rock/metal line gets pretty blurry at times, but I feel that Deep Purple/Rainbow deserve to be up there. If not for In Rock and Fireball, then certainly for Machine Head and even moreso for Made in Japan.

In the same breath I'm making a point to exclude Zeppelin from the list. As much as I love them they didn't cross the line (in my mind, at least).

Let's see...you're probably going to want to put Helloween up there. Keeper's 1 and 2 were quite influential.

Now this is a bit of a stretch--but you might want to consider Fates Warning. FW served as a major influence for Dream Theater, and they more or less lead a generation of progressive metal bands. And despite the thread's predilection for the heavier side of things, the other half of metal is equally big.

Well, my brain's now set to Iron Maiden (Doctor Doctor, rockin some B sides) so I'm done typing for a while.

Up the Irons!
post #6 of 17209
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Originally Posted by Wenglish View Post
I won't have an argument about it, I'm just going to state that I disagree. I'm not knocking Kill 'em All in any way; I like a lot of Mustaine's body of work.
I wasn't arguing that it's the best thrash album.
post #7 of 17209
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Originally Posted by ezkcdude View Post
You definitely need Celtic Frost and Metallica. And before you say it...don't even start with me about Metallica sucking. Yeah, they suck now. But Kill 'em All is the thrash album that all the rest built upon. Any argument to the contrary is just elitism gone too far.
Kill'em All is just a so-so album. I wouldn't say that Metallica sucks but I do consider most of their early material to be rather overrated, especially And Justice For All. Anyway, the key albums for me by genre, in no particular order:

Traditional Heavy:
Judas Priest - Painkiller
Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
Judas Priest - Screaming For Vengeance
Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
Savatage - Streets: A Rock Opera
Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath
Motörhead - Ace of Spades
Diamond Head - Lightning to the Nations
The Lord Weird Slough Feg - Traveller

Thrash:
Metal Church - Metal Church
Coroner - No More Color
Dark Angel - Darkness Descends
Metallica - Ride the Lightning
Megadeth - Peace Sells... but who's buying
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
Slayer - South of Heaven (I hated Reign in Blood)
Overkill - The Years of Decay
Anthrax - Among the Living
Sodom - Agent Orange
Testament - The New Order
Exodus - Bonded by Blood
Kreator - Extreme Aggression
Nevermore - Dark Heart in a Dead World
Nevermore - This Godless Endeavor
Watchtower - Control and Resistance
Vio-Lence - Eternal Nightmare

Death:
Death - Human
Death - Symbolic
Death - The Sound of Perseverance
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
Morbid Angel - Blessed Are the Sick
Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence
Cynic - Focus
Entombed - Clandestine
Immolation - Close to a World Below
Carcass - Necroticism - Descanting the Insalubrious
Gorguts - Obscura
Gojira - From Mars to Sirius
Obituary - Cause of Death
Suffocation - Pierced From Within
Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream
Sadist - Above the Light
Gorod - Leading Vision
Gorod - Neurotripsicks
Quo Vadis - Day Into Night
Edge of Sanity - Crimson
Benighted - Identisick
Cryptopsy - None So Vile
Anata - The Conductor's Departure
The Chasm - Deathcult For Eternity: The Triumph
Akercocke - Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone
Demilich - Nespithe
At the Gates - The Red in the Sky Is Ours
Plus lots more which I probably left out

Melodic Death Metal:
Insomnium - Above the Weeping World
Dark Tranquillity - The Gallery
Amon Amarth - With Oden on Our Side
In Flames - The Jester Race
Mercenary - 11 Dreams
Scar Symmetry - Pitch Black Progress
At The Gates - Slaughter of the Soul

Black Metal:
Emperor - Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk
Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
Burzum - Hvis lyset tar oss
Immortal - At the Heart of Winter
Immortal - Sons of Northern Darkness
Moonsorrow - Verisäkeet
Darkthrone - Under a Funeral Moon
Bathory - Blood Fire Death
Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice
Deathspell Omega - Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice
Diabolical Masquerade - Death's Design
Summoning - Dol Guldur
In the Woods... - HEart of the Ages
Enslaved - Below the Lights
Enslaved - Isa
Taake - Hordaland Doedskvad
Peste Noire - La Sanie des siècles - Panégyrique de la dégénérescence
Sigh - Hail Horror Hail
Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape
Negură Bunget - OM
Primordial - The Gathering Wilderness
Arcturus - La masquerade infernale

Progressive Metal:
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Opeth - Still Life
Opeth - My Arms, Your Hearse
Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
Queensrÿche - Operation: Mindcrime
Tiamat - Wildhoney
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Disillusion - Back to Times of Splendor
Green Carnation - Light of Day, Day of Darkness
Evergrey - In Search of Truth
Crimson Glory - Transcendence
Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
Symphony X - The Odyssey
Subterranean Masquerade - Suspended Animation Dreams
Solefald - In Harmonia Universali
maudlin of the Well - Leaving Your Body Map
maudlin of the Well - Bath
Orphaned Land - Mabool: The Story of the Three Sons of Seven
Persefone - Core

And yes, I don't consider a single Dream Theater album to be essential

Power Metal:
Helloween: Keeper of the Seven Keys Part I
Helloween: Keeper of the Seven Keys Part II
Kamelot: The Black Halo
Kamelot: Karma
Blind Guardian: Imaginations From the Other Side
Blind Guardian: Nightfall in Middle-Earth
Lost Horizon: A Flame to the Ground Beneath
Gamma Ray: Land of the Free
Iced Earth: Something Wicked This Way Comes
Defying the Rules
Hibria: Defying the Rules
Edguy: Mandrake
Virgin Steele: Invictus
Rhapsody: Legendary Tales
post #8 of 17209
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Originally Posted by Wenglish View Post
Now this is a bit of a stretch--but you might want to consider Fates Warning. FW served as a major influence for Dream Theater, and they more or less lead a generation of progressive metal bands.
I'd attribute more of that to Watchtower than Fates Warning, but I guess that isn't a very popular opinion.
post #9 of 17209
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Originally Posted by scytheavatar View Post
Kill'em All is just a so-so album.
Do you read posts before you reply? I just said it wasn't the best thrash album. It is arguably the most important, though.

And then you're going to put a Testament album in the list? Right.

I'm exiting this thread and sticking to where I belong.
post #10 of 17209
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Originally Posted by asmox View Post
I'd attribute more of that to Watchtower than Fates Warning, but I guess that isn't a very popular opinion.
I actually thought about Watchtower and, also maybe Queensryche, after I posted that. But I went with FW because I remember reading something from Portnoy about seeing FW live and loving them--and now I remember.

If you look in the bonus DVD booklet for the Awaken the Guardian re-release, the liner notes are written by him. He concludes with, "Very often fans and critics credit Dream Theater for creating a whole new genre of progressive metal music in the late 80s/early 90s...but the truth is Fates Warning were doing it years before us."

Portnoy is giving them credit at least. Someone go scour the net in search of Myung's feelings on the matter


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Originally Posted by ezkcdude View Post
I wasn't arguing that it's the best thrash album.
I wasn't arguing best/worst either, I just don't think it's the most important thrash album. But we can agree to disagree and bang our heads against the stage, right?
post #11 of 17209
Thread Starter 
Lol, sure, lets all pretend thrash wouldn't be where it is without Metallica.

Alright, I'll add some of these albums up tomorrow.
post #12 of 17209
Hmmm. My favorite metal bands are Ion Dissonance, Misery Index, Nightwish, Opeth, Pain Of Salvation, and Sonata Arctica.

Also a fan of Blind Guardian, Meshuggah, Symphony X, etc...
post #13 of 17209
Personally...i would add Death to the key bands...they may not have been the sole creators of the genre, just like we cant' say metallica "invented thrash metal" and so on...but they have been indeed an extremely influential band in the death metal scene...
post #14 of 17209
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Originally Posted by ezkcdude View Post
Do you read posts before you reply? I just said it wasn't the best thrash album. It is arguably the most important, though.
And neither is it the most important. Kill 'em All is like Scream Bloody Gore, it's one of the first albums of its subgenre but you can see clearly that the thrash sound is still in its infancy stage when it was released. I wouldn't say that it's the album which defined the thrash sound, Show No Mercy is more worthy of that title.
post #15 of 17209
I'd add that too, death to key bands.
And I wounldn't agree for Savatage being Traditional heavy metal.

So many meatalheads on this forum? I'm impressed.

And proud:darthsmi le:
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