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post #1951 of 3714
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Originally Posted by mbhaub
This is so true. It used to be that many of the musicians in Asian orchestras were from America and Europe, but no longer. Last year I heard the China Philharmonic on tour playing the daylights out the Brahm Quartet arrangement by Schoenberg -- the strings were dazzling. The winds less so. No one would mistake the orchestra for Cleveland, London, Pittsburgh or other top-notch ensembles, but when you consider how little time has elapsed since western music has been allowed in that country, the gains are remarkable.
But even more important are the audiences in Asia: people there can't seem to get enough of western classical music. They pack the halls, buy recordings, and more importantly, they know and enjoy the music. They're passionate about it. Not so in the US, at least in most places, where orchestras often play to half-empty halls, and many audience members have no idea what they're hearing. It's a cultural thing. The Asian people work hard, and want to excell at everything. So many of the top new talent in violin, piano and even conducting are Asian. Is it possible that when the western classical tradition dies in the US and Europe, that it will be the Asian countries that keep it alive?
Whenever I go to Carnegie Hall or Avery Fisher (very infrequently as I HATE that hall) or the Met. Opera I am always surprised by the number of Asian faces there. They are keen listeners and they really know the music. Here in the US there just seems to be a cultural bias against intellectualism! We routinely vote for the men who are closer to the class clown or class jock than the class valedictorian who we seem to imagine as an eyeglass wearing, calculator carrying nerd. The kid who reads books is the bookworm and is thought to be weird. There is no encouragement for academic accomplishment in most American families -- fathers would rather dream about their sons becoming quarterbacks than physicists and mothers dream of their daughters being supermodels rather than Supreme Court justices. How can anyone expect that such cultural biases will result in an audience that gravitates to classical as well as heavy metal? Ofcourse we all know of exceptions (right here at headfi, no less ), but by and large concerts given by Dave Matthews sell a lot better than concerts by any symphony orchestra. Thankfully Asia has stepped into the breach so that our greatest musical traditions will not die, and hopefully will be preserved so that a later generation will be able to rediscover these works and connect again.
post #1952 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Here in the US there just seems to be a cultural bias against intellectualism! We routinely vote for the men who are closer to the class clown or class jock than the class valedictorian who we seem to imagine as an eyeglass wearing, calculator carrying nerd. The kid who reads books is the bookworm and is thought to be weird. There is no encouragement for academic accomplishment in most American families -- fathers would rather dream about their sons becoming quarterbacks than physicists and mothers dream of their daughters being supermodels rather than Supreme Court justices. How can anyone expect that such cultural biases will result in an audience that gravitates to classical as well as heavy metal? Ofcourse we all know of exceptions (right here at headfi, no less ), but by and large concerts given by Dave Matthews sell a lot better than concerts by any symphony orchestra. Thankfully Asia has stepped into the breach so that our greatest musical traditions will not die, and hopefully will be preserved so that a later generation will be able to rediscover these works and connect again.
Extremely well said, Bunny!
post #1953 of 3714
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Originally Posted by mbhaub

Is it possible that when the western classical tradition dies in the US and Europe, that it will be the Asian countries that keep it alive?
Not a chance if you ask me. In the west there have been way too many
concert halls or churches or whatnot for classical music performances -
such is the degree of saturation people have become uncaring about the
music. In Asia (apart from Japan), classical music is still very much a
novelty - concert halls are only being built as we speak - and hardly has
taken roots other than as a kind of elitist consumer culture. Look at
how local music traditions have languished in comparison of the up-
and-coming western classical music, and understand that "tradition"
is not the real issue here, let alone to keep alive. Rather it's
a transplant or an exoticism, of which I see a parallel in many in
the west who have intense interest for "ancient civilizations" in
other countries. Interest alone should be enough to produce
excellent copies of what others have done (witness the current
crop of Asian wunderkind pianists and violinists) but the thorough
understanding required to create own new and vital interpretations?
I don't think I have seen it yet.

ps. This discussion has reminded me of the name Takashi Asahina,
the legendary Japanese conductor who specialized in late Romantic
repertoire (sort of like the Gunter Wand of Osaka? ) He probably
has not made too much of an impact in general, as I don't see his name
brought up often (if at all) in the context of Brahms, Richard Strauss,
Bruckner or Mahler discussions here at headfi music.
post #1954 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Masolino
Not a chance if you ask me.
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ps. This discussion has reminded me of the name Takashi Asahina,
the legendary Japanese conductor who specialized in late Romantic
repertoire (sort of like the Gunter Wand of Osaka? ) He probably
has not made too much of an impact in general, as I don't see his name
brought up often (if at all) in the context of Brahms, Richard Strauss,
Bruckner or Mahler discussions here at headfi music.
Well it was a nice dream while it lasted. I guess classical music is going to be a very rarified taste no matter the geographical location. sigh.

I have heard of Asahina, but I haven't seen any of his recordings for sale at Tower. Every time I hit HMV Japan or Amazon Japan I come across his recordings and have been wondering about them. His Bruckner seems to be highly regarded.

post #1955 of 3714
Thread Starter 
Not again..........
Looks like yet another change to top 5 list, this time to M5 adding:
Barshai/Brilliant

I think Bunny mentioned this and very powerful and dramatic performance with amazing sound quality, comes in 2CD set with M10 at budget price. No way did I think this had a chance to crack the list since M5 especially is loaded with many great performances........Bunny is on a roll with Mahler, keep them comming

Top 5 Mahler list by symphony, top pick first:

1)Bernstein/DG + Solti/LSO/Decca Legends + Kubelik/Audite + Horenstein/Unicorn + Scherchen/Westminster
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2)Bernstein/Sony + Solti/CSO/London + Rattle/EMI + Mehta/Decca Legends + Litton/Delos + Kaplan/Conifer
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3)Horenstein/Unicorn + Bernstein/Sony + Barbirolli/BBC Legends + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Solti/London + Salonen/Sony
*
4)Szell/Sony + Renier/RCA + Inbal/Dennon + Bernstein/DG + Levine/RCA + Welser Most/EMI
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5)Bernstein/DG + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Sinopoli/DG + Gatti/Musical Heritage + Barshai/Brilliant + Barbirolli/EMI GROTC
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6)Mitropoulos/EMI Great Conductors + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/Sony + Oue/Fontec + Szell/Sony
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7)Kondrashin/Melodiya + Bernstein/Sony + Kubelik/Audite + Abbado/CSO/DG + Scherchen/Westminster + Solti/London
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9)Ancerl/Supraphon Gold + Kondrashin/Melodiya + Mitropoulos/Music & Arts + Bernstein/Sony + Kubelik Audite + Abbado/VPO/DG

Also just for nostalgia sake listened to Bernstein/DG M2 again, great sound squandered on a slower less dramatic version compared to the excellent early Sony M2, by 1988 almost all Bernstein works had dramatically slowed tempos, His DG M9 is almost unrecognizeable comperd to Sony M9 and live BPO/DG M9
post #1956 of 3714
DarkAngel,

Wow! you have had a busy weekend! I did recommend the Barshai to you and am very happy that you have enjoyed listening to it.

I've been looking for some new recordings as well and hope that I will be able to report on them very soon. One promises to be quite interesting and a budget selection as well.
post #1957 of 3714
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Also just for nostalgia sake listened to Bernstein/DG M2 again, great sound squandered on a slower less dramatic version compared to the excellent early Sony M2, by 1988 almost all Bernstein works had dramatically slowed tempos, His DG M9 is almost unrecognizeable comperd to Sony M9 and live BPO/DG M9
I have always really liked Bernstein's DG M2. It's slow, overly emotional, and pure Bernstein, but - despite my well-known antipathy for all those things - it works this one time. There is a majesty to it that is hard to top, to my ears anyway. Broad tempi in the "Resurrection," as shown by Klemperer, can work. Just not very often.
post #1958 of 3714
Anyone else happen to catch Mahler's 8th on Discovery HD early Friday evening? I have no idea who was doing it but I was pretty impressed.
post #1959 of 3714
Preview (low quality) of Boulez upcoming M2 on DG:

http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/ep...boulez-mahler2
post #1960 of 3714
Low quality doesn't begin to describe it! i wish if they were going to do this it were a higher bit rate. Have you been able to determine if it's going to be released in SACD or only stereo?
post #1961 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
Preview (low quality) of Boulez upcoming M2 on DG:
The last movement excerpt gave me goosebumps.

Easily some of the best Mahler I've heard from Boulez. Though I'll obviously reserve final judgment until I hear it in context of the rest of the work.

Can't wait to hear it.

-jar
post #1962 of 3714
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Originally Posted by Bunnyears
Low quality doesn't begin to describe it! i wish if they were going to do this it were a higher bit rate. Have you been able to determine if it's going to be released in SACD or only stereo?
Nothing on the DG site indicates an SACD release I'm afraid.
post #1963 of 3714
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Originally Posted by scottder
Nothing on the DG site indicates an SACD release I'm afraid.
Maybe that's for the best. Many of the DG stereo recordings are better in 2 channels than multi. For some reason their sacds frequently have sonic problems with the placement of the mikes.
post #1964 of 3714
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottder
Preview (low quality) of Boulez upcoming M2 on DG:

http://www.deutschegrammophon.com/ep...boulez-mahler2
I will hold back and keep my powder dry on Boulez M2.......I "suspect" it will show up on yourmusic.com and patient buyer will save big.
Scheduled release not till 5/2006, seems to be 1CD version which is good by my tastes.
post #1965 of 3714
I say. The execrable excerpt hints at a really fantastic recording; however, a Boulez fanboy isn't the one to ask.

I am listening to the finale to his M7 right now.
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