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post #541 of 767
Just because you mentioned battery time, the AMP3 has close to 100 hour battery life. I own the Fuze and it does sound great, but I would be lucky to get 12 continuous hours out of mine. I am not sure about the i7. The AMP3 interface isn't the best (at least the first version), but the new version should improve a bunch of interface issues.

Plus, they do have external chargers and power packs that use regular batteries.
post #542 of 767
thanks but I have no idea where to purchase one and its probably above budget .
I think I may go for the fuze , one last thing about SQ , is it far inferior with a pair of pl-30's or jbl 220's or I wont even notice the difference either way ?
post #543 of 767
AMP3 from Whiplash Audio here.

The included buds are really good, but I understand if it is out of your price range.

The Fuze also does sound very good, and you can get PL-30's or PL-21's and have great sound.
post #544 of 767
sorry I meant to ask if the fuze's SQ is far inferior to the iaudio i7's SQ with a pair of pl-30's which I already own.
post #545 of 767
They sort of have different sound though several people on here might say the i7 is better. I think the i7 is clearer but the fuze is more natural.
post #546 of 767
thanks , I went for the fuze I bought it right now , I can't hear sound differences yet but its alright I like it . very nice player .
post #547 of 767
Hi,
will there be a new fuze coming out soon since Clip+ is already out

I am looking for a mp3 player with line out plus memory card support so the fuze is the best choice. of course clip+ has its merit too !!

thanks.
post #548 of 767
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Originally Posted by adn6244 View Post
Hi,
will there be a new fuze coming out soon since Clip+ is already out

I am looking for a mp3 player with line out plus memory card support so the fuze is the best choice. of course clip+ has its merit too !!

thanks.
Hi adn6244

May I ask what you want the line out for?

USG
post #549 of 767
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
Hi adn6244

May I ask what you want the line out for?

USG
he he he . .. . i tried to connect my samsung p2 to the dac but the sound was so soft..... so i was thinking of getting a player with line out for portable and home use. and i will not consider apple so my choice is really limited.

although i saw somewhere posted that fuze does not have a real line out...i could be wrong cause i haven't explored all the info yet.
post #550 of 767
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Originally Posted by adn6244 View Post
he he he . .. . i tried to connect my samsung p2 to the dac but the sound was so soft..... so i was thinking of getting a player with line out for portable and home use. and i will not consider apple so my choice is really limited.

although i saw somewhere posted that fuze does not have a real line out...i could be wrong cause i haven't explored all the info yet.
I don't understand what you were trying to connect your P2 to.

The Fuze has a line out but if you look at the spec chart below, I doubt there is an audible difference between the headphone out and the line out (despite claims to the contrary by overly enthusiastic listeners and LOD maker$), so unless you're going to use the dock as a stand for the player, you really don't need the line out.

I saw a reworked Griffin dock on ebay that might have some merit, however, if you decide to go that route. It might be able to elevate the standard Griffin dock, (which was not quite as good as the headphone out), up to headphone out quality. Even so, the difference between the Griffin dock and the headphone out is very very small and unless you are using a highly resolving home rig, it is probably inaudible.

USG

post #551 of 767
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post
The Fuze has a line out but if you look at the spec chart below, I doubt there is an audible difference between the headphone out and the line out (despite claims to the contrary by overly enthusiastic listeners and LOD maker$), so unless you're going to use the dock as a stand for the player, you really don't need the line out.
I don't want to get into this again, but...
I was fortunate enough to try ClieOS's LOD on my Fuze, and yes, there is a noticeable difference. The difference between unamped and amped through HP is minimal. When the Fuze is amped through a LOD, there is a very distinct difference. I don't sell them, and I don't intend to buy one just because I enjoy my Fuze's portability. Charts and numbers may something, but until you experience it, don't discount it.
If you wish to read my review on the LOD, search for Fuze Audition in portable source gear.
post #552 of 767
Nice chart Upstateguy but what do your ears tell you? Whats that you say? You've never even tried using the Fuze's LOD with a quality interconnect yet you comment like you are an authority on the subject? Shame be to you.

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post #553 of 767
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Originally Posted by Drpepper View Post
I don't want to get into this again, but...
I was fortunate enough to try ClieOS's LOD on my Fuze, and yes, there is a noticeable difference. The difference between unamped and amped through HP is minimal. When the Fuze is amped through a LOD, there is a very distinct difference. I don't sell them, and I don't intend to buy one just because I enjoy my Fuze's portability. Charts and numbers may something, but until you experience it, don't discount it.
If you wish to read my review on the LOD, search for Fuze Audition in portable source gear.

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Originally Posted by Woody469 View Post
Nice chart Upstateguy but what do your ears tell you? Whats that you say? You've never even tried using the Fuze's LOD with a quality interconnect yet you comment like you are an authority on the subject? Shame be to you.



Look guys, I really dont' want to be drawn into this again, but the numbers don't lie. You can't get more out of the chip than it has to offer. According to the manufacturer's specs I posted, a good rendering of either of the two output sources should be relatively indistinguishable from each other.

I have no doubt both of you believe that you heard differences, and this sort of placebo effect has happened to all of us at one time or another, but the fact is the factory numbers don't support a JND between the two outputs.

"He said, she said","I know a guy who knows a guy", and "I heard a difference", are far from anything that resembles a scientific test or any sort of proof of anything. The manufacturer's specifications, on the other hand are verifiable, reproducible, published numbers and, as you can see, the difference between the two outputs is too close to call.

Arguments like you guys made, regarding things that cannot be measured, need to be backed up by rigorous reproducible, and verifiable tests, in order to remove all possible bias from human subjective judgments, opinions and expectations.

Until that is done, they can not be considered as having any validity.

The manufacturer's published specifications, on the other hand, are the actual measurements designers and builders use in creating players like the Fuze.

USG

post #554 of 767
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Originally Posted by Woody469 View Post
This guy is sending around his LOD for people to audition and decide for themselves http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/wa...ze-lod-440251/ I can't wait to get my hands on it so I can compare it to the superb Fuze LOD I already own. I love the night and day difference using an LOD makes over the HP out.
Despite your BOLD BLUE LETTERS, until you've tried it you know nothing.
post #555 of 767
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Originally Posted by Woody469 View Post
Despite your BOLD BLUE LETTERS, until you've tried it you know nothing.
The burden of proof is on the person making the unsubstantiated claim. Until you come up with some verifiable, reproducible data, I'm afraid your opinion has no validity.

There is no day and night difference.

What I've said is backed up by the manufacturers data sheet.

What you've claimed is contrary to the same data sheet.

Even Drpepper said there was no day and night difference in his review.

Now what?

USG
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