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I spent many years in a world where the motto was "I will not lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do."

It's been a very lonely life.

Actually, I don't see what's wrong in returning the iPod under extended service plan if your battery has drained. That's the whole point of the extended plan - they tell you when you buy it that if ANYTHING performance wise is not to your satisfaction, you'll get it fixed / replaced. So if your battery life has been reduced you'd in fact be crazy NOT to take advantage of the plan. And if you discover it after 6 months yet wait till 11th, just before the plan expires, to take advantage of it, more power to you - nothing illegal or even immoral about it.

My iPod spends every evening/night and often over the weekend plugged into Firewire, meaning it's charged / topped off every day. It stops charging automatically when it's done anyway. It's been 6-7 months, perhaps it's the time to check life and see if this everyday charging has decreased it...

Be a smarter consumer - not a smarter theif! I am getting an iPod in a week! And I have made my decision because of the information we have all shared. I don't like that Apple hid the battery, but I now know there is an easy work around. But a scheme to abuse Compusa's return policy is silly.

aos, you should check the battery life, because i'm sure that some of us are curious how the battery holds up after a year of usage. and it seems that you treat your pod with love and respect, so missuse wouldn't be an issue here. Any other volunteers???

I hope all the rightwingers will forgive me for quoting a little Marx, but this seems appropriate:

There's one way to find out if a man is honest--ask him. If he says, "Yes," you know he is a crook.

Hey, relax! I mean Groucho not that other dude.

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I've owned a 5GB for 17 months. Mine is kept topped up, and I've never had a battery (or any other) problem. I've also owned a 20 for eight months with the same perfect record. Firmware updates have eliminated every issue with the iPods so far.

BTW, those 5 and 20 giggers were purchased on the day they were released. You can't get a better history than that.

okay, but have you "tested" your most-used pod to see exactly how much battery life you "now" have as opposed to what it is supposed to have? This would mean turning the pod on after it has been topped off, marking the time, then leaving the pod on until the battery is depleted, and finally marking the time of depletion. This will tell you how much life the battery actually has.

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I'm not really concerned about the batteries to be honest. If they actually fail during my two year CompUSA replacement warranty, I will have no qualms about returning them. Apple considers the batteries to be non-replaceable (although they obviously are) and, therefore, a failed battery is a bona fide reason for returning the unit.

What I won't do is engage in some subterfuge to bilk CompUSA out of a new iPod. I have a feeling you wouldn't either, Riodelin.

Riodelin, we are not discussing morality in this forum, people open each others amps, get ideas from them, some of them copy them, other improve them. This is about sharing thoughts and experiences in order to fulfill our expensive hobby. If you want a disertation about morality, let's start with Apple, don't you think so? They charge you 299, 399 or 499 dollars for a DIPOSABLE Ipod, do you think it's fair? do they warn you before you buy it? nope......They even state in the warranty that the life of the battery would the life of the Ipod!!!that means that is disposable forcing you to update in such an expensive device.

On the other hand, the apple warranty is for one year, right when the battery problems start.... and then if you send them YOUR Ipod to install a new battery, wht they do is send you a refurbished one (NOT yours) and charge you 250 bucks.......great, don't you think so?

I'd like to see you in one year, putting your Ipod in the Trash and buying a new one.......

By the way, the TAP or replacement plan is not free, you have to pay 40 bucks, and this give you the right to excange your IPOD, ONCE not twice.

The representatives at Compusa recommended me the Tap, because of the battery issues, which it means that a lot of people is aware of this and are getting it covering their backs, it is not a sin, isn't?

Sorry If I hurt your feelings but don't you think that the easy way to get rid of this issue is to get Apple to put a couple of screws in the back of the Ipods?

Bilk compusa...me? No. That's not why I brought up the whole test thing. I just thought it was interesting... I have read a lot in the past few days about the battery used in the iPod. They say it is awesome. I also remember the complaints from others that the battery wasn't as good as reported. So, I thought a test would be interesting, not an excuse to go to Compusa with a weak scheme!

Mario, if you look through this lively thread, you will see that I was the one who suggested the screws. Earlier, this thread was more focussed, but now it is unraveling. That Apple didn't make the battery truly user-replaceable is a shame; and as others have pointed out, maybe a cheap and unsavory way to force people to replace their iPods. However, it has been pointed out that the iPod is easy to disassemble (which I do believe), that replacement batteries are available for purchase. But for someone to suggest that we go to Compusa with a lie in our mouths, after 11 months of usage when there really isn't a problem, to get a new pod just in case there are problems in the 13th month is ridiculous!!! What, lie for a new pod every 11 months? This is the "solution" offered? Replacing the batt seems easier (and more moral).

Don't think that I'm not worried about the battery issue, I got an email from www.ipodbattery.com and they told me they would have the battery for the new Ipod early in 2004. What do we have to figure now is how to open this BEAUTY.

Read through the whole thread my man and you will learn a lot...I have... Has your battery failed you Mariowar?

Come on Riodelin, don't take it personal. It's just a choice, you either take it or leave it. You leave it, I think that I can live with that. Sorry again for sharing my sins.

When you exchange the Ipod you don't %^$% CompUSA, you surely %%$#$%$ Apple because the item is still under warranty and additionally for charging 250 bucks to fix the battery problem..........

Riodelin, don't get me wrong but this is not an Ipod forum, go to the Ipod's forums and the reality will smash your face.