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Originally Posted by nickchen View Post

No wonder that you were undwhelmed by the Ulti when being a Stax creature. Stax is all about resolution and fidelity, whereas the whole Gradessandro bunch only does work-to-rule in that respect. In fact, I wouldn't say the Ulti's resolution is noticeably superior to HD600 or so. You get a MS1K or an Ulti when you want fun and tiptoeing. The Ulti is tiptoeing with the best SQ available IMO. But when SQ is your only concern, conventional HPs will serve you better.
Haven't been here for MONTHS. My Ultis still alive...just so...I had a cable damage close to the systems, so I had to grub them out of the wood without destroying anything. It worked, but they look a bit rugged since then ^^

I thiink you mean toe-tapping. However, while I didn't get that with the MS-Pro, I put the distancers and G-cushions on my MS-1 and I liked that a lot more. So, I'll keep the MS-1000 and sell the MS-Pro.

Also, I'm not a 'Stax Creature' (that sounds a bit like Godzilla with square headphones on), as I do most of my listening on the ZennJazzGrado biggrin.gif
The resolution of the PX 100 II can't hold a candle to the Stax, but it's light and easily protable and can be pwered by my iPad without an external headphone amp.
post #2432 of 2440

While starting to source parts for a MS1000 project I was reviewing materials. I've seen distancers and also complete conversions made out of everything from plastic to wood to aluminum.

 

For the MS1000 if the general goal is to  largely match Gradio GS and PS 1000 then it seems wood would be the primary choice of inner material (PS1000i) if not the whole thing (GS1000i) which are essentially woodies. The PS1000 are outer sleeved with "dense non resonant material" - which possibly suggests some amount of wood sleeving isn't enough. But still no plastic or aluminum.

 

To me that suggests skipping plastic an aluminum (with perhaps felt) and going straight woody.

 

But when I review Allesandro's series, they go from MS1 (Plastic) to MS2 (dense non-resonant) to MS Pro (woodies). While I understand the commercial need to differentiate - If the drivers are the same (or essentially so better or better matched given price) then it begs the question

 

"If MS1 makes MS1000 in the same league as Grado 1000's then why isn't MS2 most of the way there if not the MS-Pro"

 

Or perhaps from another angle

 

"Does the MS1000 require brighter drivers and more resonant (or reflective - plastic, AL) inner sleeve to make it work".

 

Certainly the bowl pads are part of the solution- but the materials and dimensions are they key.

 

For looks - and "matching GS1000" I was going to straight to full woodies - but the Allesandro progression suggests that Woodied MS1's would be more like an MS Pro and not the MS1000 intended by the original thread.

 

Is it that the Allesandro MS2 and Pro have too long a tube, likely intentionally?

 

The OP's magic-combo was wood distancer (=== wood inner sleeve inside section) and plastic outer section (=== plastic inner sleeve outside section) and Grado Bowl pads.

 

I can make any combination of wood/metal in my shop - but I'd like to start with the current reference build before considering full woodies or carbon fiber or aluminum or anything else.

 

Is the OP still the "reference combination" for this project?

 

Why is this different than than the Allesandro progression of materials?


Edited by Nauglanch - 1/31/15 at 7:14am
post #2433 of 2440

I have the MS-1 with wooden 11mm distancers with felt on the inside and Grado G-cushions and that sound great. I had the same combi on the MS-Pro and I was unimpressed by the improvement over the stock MS-Pro.

 

Or maybe it's just that it's more impressive for the MS-1 to leap several levels over the competition with this simple mod, while the modded MS-Pro is still no match for the GS-1000.

 

At least, to my ears.

 

Nickchen apparently things differently, since he prefers the ultimate over the 1000.

post #2434 of 2440
Thread Starter 

As I made no examinations on this (and don't intend to), I'd prefer to skip this materials discussion... :D

post #2435 of 2440
What are the options for getting distancers? Are they only available from people who make them themselves and is there anyway to get them in Canada?
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What are the options for getting distancers? Are they only available from people who make them themselves and is there anyway to get them in Canada?

AFAIK, distancers are made by a few members: Nickchen in Germany and Apatn in the Netherlands made them. I got mine from Apatn. The exact measurments are in the beginning of the thread, I believe you could take those measurements to a woodworkshop and have them made, maybe even in a 3D printer.

I don't think there are any 'traders' making them, so your options are indeed limited.
post #2437 of 2440

Do you think wooden distancer on the MS1 would ruin the sound? It's much easier to make a wooden distancer than to find a plastic one here. I'm doing searches on ebay though.

 

 

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Originally Posted by 020Assassin View Post


AFAIK, distancers are made by a few members: Nickchen in Germany and Apatn in the Netherlands made them. I got mine from Apatn. The exact measurments are in the beginning of the thread, I believe you could take those measurements to a woodworkshop and have them made, maybe even in a 3D printer.

I don't think there are any 'traders' making them, so your options are indeed limited.
post #2438 of 2440
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Originally Posted by lehoang15tuoi View Post
 

Do you think wooden distancer on the MS1 would ruin the sound? It's much easier to make a wooden distancer than to find a plastic one here. I'm doing searches on ebay though.

 

 


The distancers on my MS-1 are wooden, with felt inside, and attached with blu-tack.

post #2439 of 2440

Great! It will cost me only $5 for a wooden distancer. The hard part now is to find a MS1 (again)...

post #2440 of 2440

Got these from Bunnings (for the Australians) worked out pretty well. 

 

Hacksaw off the thread 

[IMG]http://i62.tinypic.com/x55bw2.jpg[/IMG]

 

Cut to size, drill and sand

[IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/2gxnytj.jpg[/IMG]

 

I still need to get some felt, but all in all, I am pretty impressed.  

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