Sound signatures of Esoteric vs. EMM Labs
Apr 25, 2008 at 1:45 AM Post #46 of 60
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I did the same thing. But in reality it was a mistake, because as long as you are not using the dac, the a Squeezebox would do the same thing and save $1500 (as Bozebuttons so diligently pointed out to me
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I thought the Transporter could handle 24bit 96khz and 192Khz files though, whereas the SB3 was limited to 16bit 44.1khz? I could be wrong though, can anyone confirm or deny?
 
Apr 25, 2008 at 3:57 AM Post #48 of 60
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Transporter can only handle up to 24bit/96kHz. It's DAC can upsample to 192kHz.


so with an external DAC that can handle 24bit 96khz, and some hi-rez music files it does offer a theoretically better sound potential than the SB3. Admittedly at a serious price difference.
 
Apr 25, 2008 at 4:30 AM Post #49 of 60
the real beauty of TP is with the new firmware it can do 24/88 natively and not get decimated back to 44 like the SB3 and earlier TP firmwares.

I believe with more R/D TP can use its Xilinx FPGA to implement a 1024 tap FIR reconstruction filter and do all kinds of sophisticated post processing to improve sound.
 
Apr 25, 2008 at 4:50 AM Post #50 of 60
Congrats on a great choice! You even have the SolidSteel rack I have! I am going to put the SB3 into place feeding the DCC2. I was thinking about it last night and seeing your thread reminded me.

Cheers, and enjoy the music!
 
Jul 24, 2008 at 6:49 PM Post #51 of 60
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The Esoteric DV-50 costs approx $6K and the Emm Labs CDSD and DAC 6e cost $19k MSRP, but $11K realistically.
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Do you mean NEW EMM Labs CDSD SE and DAC6E combo can be found around $11K ?


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Jul 26, 2008 at 12:14 AM Post #52 of 60
on AudioGon, some said Wadia 581SE and Esoteric are better than EMM's CD/SACD player CDSA SE, even DCC2/CDSD combo. At least for Red Book CDs.


On SACD, seems most people regard EMM gears are the best.



Do you EMM owner have similar impression?
 
Jul 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM Post #54 of 60
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Do you mean NEW EMM Labs CDSD SE and DAC6E combo can be found around $11K ? ...



No...2nd edition CDSD and DAC6e. No SE models.
 
Jul 26, 2008 at 4:56 PM Post #55 of 60
You won't be able to get the latest & greatest (new German sourced transport/feet) SE models for 11K, but there are a few listings on the 'Gon for SE models near 11K.
 
Aug 8, 2008 at 4:55 PM Post #56 of 60
I currently own a EMM Labs CDSD/DAC6 combo and a Esoteric X-03-SE.

EMM has a more pronounced and stronger bass. It is good, tight, musical (vs. bloated and single note sounding).
EMM is a very high resolving system but at the same time is capable of a very smooth sound while still being resolving.

Overall, I find the balance of these two systems is more alike than different. I think the EMM Labs that I have over the Esoteric that I have is slightly better in my system.

The Esoteric has better build quality.
The Esoteric will hold its value better.

It should be noted that my Esoteric is a player not a transport/DAC combo, while the EMM labs is the separates combo. I think a better comparison between the two would be the EMM Labs separates stuff (newest) vs. the Esoteric X-01-LTD.
Additionally, it should be noted that with the EMM Labs stuff I own, I would re-clock at the DAC. I have never tried re-clocking the Esoteric via the EMM labs to see if there was/is any impact.

The sound stages for both are excellent, focus, depth, height and width.

In the end, the perfect set-up in my mind may actually be the Esoteric transport (best transport mechanism available in my mind) mated to the EMM Labs DAC. Also, unless you plan to use the EMM Labs as your preamp, I would recommend considering the DAC 6e SE version (which should save you a couple of thousand) over the DCC2 SE.
 
Sep 26, 2008 at 12:53 PM Post #57 of 60
I've just bit the bullet for a modded Esoteric UX-3. I have to hear for myself what this "source first" fuss is all about and hopefully a 'sneak-peak' at high-end audio. Plus it plays movies
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Screw the L3000
 
Sep 26, 2008 at 10:47 PM Post #59 of 60
I think I can recommend the CDSA SE. However, I have not heard the cary. I have not compared my EMM to anything either so take it for what it's worth.
 

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