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I love that line.

Also, keep an eye out for your future mail. It's not good to make them upset- they control your mail

Put it on youtube and provide the link on your complaint, that will get their attention.

I don't have any bad experience with postal workers in my home but once I got a bad experience in Seattle. I was parking my car in front of people's mailboxes. I didn't know that I'm not "allowed" to do that and apparently in each block of that suburb, they got all the mailboxes in front of one house instead of each mail box in each house. I got back and found this middle age asian postal worker putting mail into the mailboxes. He complaint to me that I'm not allowed to park in my spot since it made his job harder. Well, since I'm an outsider and I don't know that rule, I apologized and told him I'll move my car. Instead of letting me go and move my car, he snide me with this remark, "Are you sorry? I don't think you mean it." Well, that's it, that's just ruffle my feathers. Being an asian myself, we've been taught to respect elders, but I'm not going to take this kind of #### especially when I have offered my apology and was not looking for trouble at that time. So I just told him to call the cops and I will gladly pay for the fine instead of dealing with an *******. Well, he shut his mouth and finish putting his letter while I was watching him the whole time waiting for him to call the cops on me. To this day, I still don't know whether I was illegally parking or he just made up that rule. I'm not proud of what I did but I don't like to be jerk around either.

What's really funny is- People here are skeptical about cables, burn-in, power cords, etc etc etc.

Yet they are more than willing to accept this story on face value?

Not me.

I question it.

So What- I'm just not as gullible as the rest of you.


"If you behave and treat them with respect they will reciprocate."

"Always? Really! Sure that's not a bit naive?"

No- What I've found is people will react to you and what is presented is returned.

It's obvious the OP is worked up for what is really nothing- Is there other stuff going on in your life and maybe you took it out on a USPS Employee?


With this I bid you all a Fond Farewell.

Mitch

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Either you didn't read what happened, you're trolling, or you're playing devil's advocate. I don't see how, given the situation, you could make such a remark like "Is there other stuff going on in your life and maybe you took it out on a USPS Employee?"

Are you serious? I displaced frustration with my life on a USPS Employee? You've got to be joking. You'll probably read this and reply with something suggesting that I was a dick to the USPS people and that I was taking out my frustration with my life on them, or something ridiculous like that. I hope you don't, though. You already said "Farewell", after all.

Anyway, I talked to the supervisor at the post office and she was very courteous with me. She informed me that she had gotten complaints about the mail service to my building and that we should have a new regular carrier starting this Saturday. The property manager of my building also told me that many residents have been complaining and that he encourages us to call the post office to complain and that he has already contacted our Alderman with our issues.

This is all over, really. When I posted originally last night it was mainly out of frustration. Now things have calmed down and I've talked to the proper people about the incident. As long as our regular mailman is respectful and gets the mail done before the receiving room closes in the evening there should be no more problems.

You don't get it at all. You behaviour, as detailed ad naseum, was atrocious. If you're worried about getting tickets on time, think ahead next time. Don't leave things to the last second and expect the mail carrier to bail you out OR pay the extra cost for FedX.

I live in a similar building and we've been through more than one mail person in the four years I've been here. It's not easy servicing those large buildings. New people struggle with routes that are easy for the experienced hands.

I've seen as many a four supervisors trying to help a newbie through their routes at 8 in the evening, but you know what, most of these people figure out what to do and become pretty good carriers. I've seen them go from barely able to get the mail off the truck to running hours ahead of schedule every day.

Give them a break and more respect. No one should be expected to work with people looking over their shoulders and making suggestions on how to do their jobs.

Dave

I totally agree with intoflatlines on this. There are some ppl who think they can do whatever they want and get away with it. Its good that you did take it as far as you did, and also good that you didnt take it any further on that day as the police might have reacted in their favour.

I have had a similar experience not with postal workers but with employees and manager of ACE hardware and I regret that I didnt get anything in writing or taped any of our earlier conversations to use as proof to prove that I was not at fault. I had no choice but to leave the matter.

If you do get a resolution to this issue, then its great that you stood up to what you did and justified your actions, but even otherwise, you atleast know you did the right thing.

Man, what ya gonna do when something important really happens?? Flipping out over the mail is not a good sign.

Dave

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I don't have to worry about getting tickets on time when USPS guarantees that it will be delivered on a certain date and time. You must be delirious to imagine that I prefer to pay $30+ for overnight express mail if ordering much in advance was an option. By the way, FedEx wouldn't help either because all packages go to the receiving room, which requires a slip to pick up a package, a slip that isn't in my mailbox because the USPS hasn't shown up to put the mail away until after the receiving room closes. From your response, I imagine you are someone that leaves for work several hours early just in case something ridiculous and unforeseen occurs.

What's with some of you people telling me to give them "some respect"? I acted in a respectful manner and gave a reasonable request and they responded with immediate rudeness towards me. I hardly call people trying to get their mail "looking over their shoulders". If the mail was delivered before everyone checks the mail after they get home from work in the evening, they wouldn't get so bothered from people trying to get their ****ing mail before the receiving room closes and people get settled in for the night.

I would not have a problem if they were just doing their jobs, but 8 PM is not a reasonable time to have mail delivered. They are not doing their jobs effectively.

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I guess you didn't read my posts, or you're getting me confused with the USPS bitch. "Flipping out" would probably include shouting and calling 911 and claiming an emergency. "Flipping out" is not speaking politely and calmly.

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I read your posts in their entirety. You sound like you have absolutely no sensitivity and you're totally oblivious as to inappropriateness of what you did. You made excuses for what you did, but you still did it.

Dave

What I did was completely appropriate. The previous mail carrier allowed us to get our mail when it was in the box. I asked if I could do so and they acted rudely. I am a customer of the USPS and should be treated accordingly. If an employee on the clock acts rudely with me unprovoked, I as a customer have the right to file a complaint.

I don't know what you mean when you say that I made excuses for what I did, but I still did it.

Why are you such an advocate for them? I am completely willing to see that they could get frustrated with their job, but I don't think that they should have snapped at me like that.

Well, it sounds like your mail carriers have large sticks in their rectums. And for that i pity you.

A few points:

Whether or not it is actually a requirement of law that you stay away from locked mailboxes while the mail carrier fills them, these sorts of group mail delivery areas are major vectors for theft and there is no way for a postal carrier to know whether or not you are actually the legal recipient.

Thus, the logical cover-your-arse regulation is that everyone should just keep out until the postal carrier cannot in any way be seen as having helped anyone posess anything. You see, if they turn their back and walk away, it's none of their business if you happen to have a stolen key and steal someone's mail. But if they stand there and watch you do it, someone could argue that they should have stopped you. It's even worse if they just hand it to you. Even if they do actually know you.

As of this point in this post, I'm done sticking up for the post office. I do in fact have an axe to grind with them. I've fought the post office and won, and I'm here to tell you that they're full of crap.

The USPS exists in a bizarre legal limbo between private enterprise and federal entity. The truth of the matter is that the postal carrier's rule book - The Domestic Mail Manual - is in fact the law of the land.

There is a federal law that states that the DMM is regarded as law, and revisions to the DMM are reviewed and included only if approved by congress.

This is where we get legal paradoxes like the fact that you own your mailbox, but the post office regulates it and has the force of law to do so.

The rub is: The DMM does not say everything that the USPS wishes it said.

In my case, when i bought my house almost two years ago, I decided that having a rural-style (long tube) mail box bolted to the side of my house where the fence meets the siding next to the front porch is both tacky and stupid, and bought a mailbox more appropriate for the architecture of the house - i bolted it to the siding about 20 inches from where the original mailbox had been.

I received several warnings from the post office that this change was illegal.

And then they stopped delivering my mail. Instead they would leave little cards in it instructing me that i live on a rural route and thus am required to have a rural style mailbox on a post at the edge of my property line.

After several fruitless arguments with the supervisor for my zip code, with the supervisor arguing that i cannot move my mailbox, I downloaded a PDF of the DMM and could find no provision in it that required me to have a rural mailbox.

I do in fact live in a historic district. I live in one of the oldest houses in this city. The DMM states, for example, that mail-slot delivery is only legal where it has existed since the by-gone age when mail slots were normal. A quick wander around my neighborhood revealed that about 30% of my neighbors have only the original mail slot for mail delivery.

It does state, explicitly, that the post office has the right to demand any legal method of delivery for new construction. This is why most new developments have group kiosks.

So i called the supervisor again and asked him to explain which provision in the domestic mail manual allowed him to require that i use a rural mailbox.

He told me that any "new residence" can be required to change, and they are interpreting that as meaning that any time someone moves in, the post office can require a change in delivery method.

I informed him that i was reading the DMM and it says new construction, not new residences. And that if my mail delivery was not resumed, I would register a formal complaint with the district manager.

After an uncomfortable pause, the supervisor completely changed tracks and stated that the issue was that i had moved my mailbox from the fence to the house.

I countered that i could prove that the mailbox has never been attached to the fence (it was in fact bolted to the house mere milimeteres above the fence), and that i had only installed the new mailbox about 20 inches away.

He decided that that was ok.

My mail delivery was resumed the next day.

I sorely wanted to mail myself a slab of lead in a flat-rate mailer, just to make the carrier really *feel those steps all the way to my porch, but ultimately i decided that since i would have to mail it in person at the post office, this would be awkward.

It turns out, this isn't the worst that this particular post office has tried to pull.

A friend of mine says that his mail delivery just stopped one day. He'd lived in the same house for 8 years, and it just stopped.

When he called the post office, they explained that he needed to use the kiosk at the new development two blocks away.

His story is a lot like mine, and his solution boiled down to the same two steps:

1: Read the DMM
2: Threaten to speak to the district manager.

Last year the house south of me sold, and somehow, they conned the new owner into putting a mailbox on a post at the sidewalk. What a maroon.

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I'm getting sick of this flaming between me and some of my fellow Head-Fi'ers. I posted this originally out of frustration and I didn't really intend to be arguing about my actions with other members here.

So, fine.. Call me insensitive, disrespectful, a dick, whatever.. Tell me that I shouldn't be complaining about this or trying to make a big deal. It's over and my building should be getting a different carrier on Saturday, due to the large volume of complaints from residents to the USPS and building management.

Keep in mind that you get a job at the post office by passing a written exam.

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Thanks for the large explaination of what happened. I probably would have given up and walked away at the point where you pulled out your cell phone to record.

No -- having a bad day or earlier bad experience doesn't give them the 'right' to act in the way they did, but a lot of trouble could've been spared by ignoring it... Not that that is the right course of action per se. You acted as you did and without having been through the same situation, I won't be the one to judge your actions. I hope my earlier post didn't come across that way, I merely meant that I most likely would have acted differently since I would expect your actions to escalate what is essentially a minor thing (and apparently they did just that).