Is copper warmer because of signal loss?
Sep 15, 2007 at 9:27 PM Post #376 of 452
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Originally Posted by peelax /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The point is that most people will probably "hear" a difference between cables purely due to placebo. What I think the sceptics are saying is that despite the fact you might think you do there is in fact no difference. You can find this out with a bit of blind testing (or not).


What you are saying is pure conjecture. Please, don't go out and buy spendy cables. Just stick with coat hangers and you'll be better off.

If you want to come to Portland, I'll let you hear my system and you can make up your own mind... But that wouldn't tell you anything about your system. I've done blind testing with my system and I'm happy with it. I hear the difference in a statistically significant fashion. That's all I need for me. You do what you want. Don't denigrate my testing or ability to hear just because you have never heard any difference.
 
Sep 15, 2007 at 9:37 PM Post #377 of 452
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Because ultimately we're listening to music, not opinions.


I wish I'd said that...
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Sep 15, 2007 at 11:09 PM Post #378 of 452
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Because ultimately we're listening to music, not opinions.


I sure appreciate the opinions of the guys who put me on the right path early on. They saved me a bundle of money. All opinions are not created equal, however. Some people know what they're talking about and can offer constructive suggestions for getting bang for the buck. That's what I'm trying to do. When people say "well, it's good for me, it may not be for you- it all depends I guess." that pretty much means that they don't have much to say about it.

See ya
Steve
 
Sep 15, 2007 at 11:59 PM Post #379 of 452
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Originally Posted by bigshot /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I sure appreciate the opinions of the guys who put me on the right path early on. They saved me a bundle of money. All opinions are not created equal, however. Some people know what they're talking about and can offer constructive suggestions for getting bang for the buck. That's what I'm trying to do. When people say "well, it's good for me, it may not be for you- it all depends I guess." that pretty much means that they don't have much to say about it.

See ya
Steve


The "right path" sounds like the religious belief of someone who as an acolyte was taught the dogma many years ago. A fixed belief is not an opinion. You proudly eschew trying to discern differences or treating the reports of others as possible indications of difference. So of course your tenets of quality debunking are unaffected. This makes you of no use to someone looking for greater buck bang because that requires distinguishing when more money helps and when it doesn't. You just flatly and blindly say it doesn't.

Someone who says something sounds good or different but others must judge for themselves is being non-omniscient, non-arrogant and respectful of the complexities of the subject and the differences among systems and people. It is a lot likelier that that person is worth listening to when they say the little they have to say than someone who has much to say in your sense.
 
Sep 16, 2007 at 12:40 AM Post #380 of 452
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Originally Posted by Riboge /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The "right path" sounds like the religious belief of someone who as an acolyte was taught the dogma many years ago. A fixed belief is not an opinion.


That's a fallacy of extension. I've never said that my beliefs are fixed. Come up with arguments to support your position objectively and don't resort to logical fallacies and I'll read your post all the way though next time.

See ya
Steve
 
Sep 16, 2007 at 12:48 AM Post #381 of 452
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Originally Posted by dvw /img/forum/go_quote.gif
This XLO explanation is truely inventive. "Skin effect phase shift" and inductiveness of metal?



Skin effect does exist, as does inductance.

But I've been down this debate road about 8,000 times before, and I'll not engage it here again. I have A/B'ed cables in my system blind, and hear a difference between some but not others. Some I've had were obscenely expensive and some cheap as dirt.

I've considered myself an audio enthusiast since my early teens, and I'm now 46, so I think I've sorted through most of the marketing BS. I've kept the cables that sound best to me on my components, and sold the ones that do not.

YMMV.
 
Sep 16, 2007 at 1:23 AM Post #382 of 452
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Originally Posted by bigshot /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I sure appreciate the opinions of the guys who put me on the right path early on. They saved me a bundle of money. All opinions are not created equal, however. Some people know what they're talking about and can offer constructive suggestions for getting bang for the buck. That's what I'm trying to do. When people say "well, it's good for me, it may not be for you- it all depends I guess." that pretty much means that they don't have much to say about it.

See ya
Steve


Yea, right. Troll elsewhere. I fear your voice hath lost its charm. I'm done with you.
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Sep 16, 2007 at 1:35 AM Post #383 of 452
Why do you all argue and waste your time with threads like this?

What's the point of justifying your cheap cable if you can't afford the expensive ones?

Instead of wasting your time quibble over the technicality of cables, you should concentrate on making more money so you can buy one of each cable from $10 to $50,000; pick the ones you like and sell the rest.

OR

you can just buy several of those $50k cable; so instead of wasting your time comparing different cables, you use that time more efficiently to make more money.

Rich people don't comparison shop because its is not in their best interest; buy the best then go back to make more money instead of wasting time they could have otherwise used to make more money than they could have saved
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If you are poor, you shouldn't even wasting your time on this site or any other audio related sites.
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Sep 16, 2007 at 1:46 AM Post #384 of 452
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Originally Posted by bigshot /img/forum/go_quote.gif
That's a fallacy of extension. I've never said that my beliefs are fixed. Come up with arguments to support your position objectively and don't resort to logical fallacies and I'll read your post all the way though next time.

See ya
Steve


You demonstrate that they are fixed over and over in countless threads you clog with the same attempts to debunk...over and over again regardless of what is being presented. And not reading me thru--oh, I'm so hurt--demonstrates the closed mindedness I was describing.

Once again so perhaps you might get it this time, logical fallacies have meaning only in regard to attempts to formally prove something. I don't need to try to prove what you have demonstrated ad nauseum, namely, that you are a troll who is stuck on one note: to claim about certain categories of audio equipment that none are worth more than the basic versions of them and that we are all fools who hear differences, that you by repeating endlessly this incantation of dogma can remove the veils from our ears and save of us bucks. What we want to be saved from is you.
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Sep 16, 2007 at 2:01 AM Post #385 of 452
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Originally Posted by chesebert /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Why do you all argue and waste your time with threads like this?

What's the point of justifying your cheap cable if you can't afford the expensive ones?

Instead of wasting your time quibble over the technicality of cables, you should concentrate on making more money so you can buy one of each cable from $10 to $50,000; pick the ones you like and sell the rest.

OR

you can just buy several of those $50k cable; so instead of wasting your time comparing different cables, you use that time more efficiently to make more money.

Rich people don't comparison shop because its is not in their best interest; buy the best then go back to make more money instead of wasting time they could have otherwise used to make more money than they could have saved
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If you are poor, you shouldn't even wasting your time on this site or any other audio related sites.
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Now *you* I like!
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BTW, the "rich" have their own games.
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Sep 16, 2007 at 2:28 AM Post #386 of 452
Audio arguments I've been involved in (ad infinitum, ad nauseum):

~ analog vs. digital
~ tubes vs. transistors
~ MOSFET vs. bi-polar
~ horns vs. dynamics vs. electrostatics vs. ribbons
~ acoustic suspension vs. ported
~ moving magnet vs. moving coil
~ subwoofer vs. no subwoofer
~ low power vs. high power
~ triode vs. pentode vs. ultralinear
~ what's most important: the recording, the source, the amplification, the speakers, the room?

And more.

At some point in all of the above topics - and for various reasons - further discussion becomes as useful as pissing up a rope.
 
Sep 16, 2007 at 2:51 AM Post #387 of 452
Now THERE'S a flurry of wonderfully informative posts.

See ya
Steve
 
Sep 16, 2007 at 3:45 AM Post #388 of 452
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Now THERE'S a flurry of wonderfully informative posts.

See ya
Steve


At last, you're finally seeing real value for what it is...
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Sep 16, 2007 at 5:33 AM Post #389 of 452
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Originally Posted by kwkarth /img/forum/go_quote.gif
At last, you're finally seeing real value for what it is...
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I think he was being sarcastic. Though I noticed not much is going on in this thread for a little while. I think everyone has concluded that they are not really affecting anyone elses opinion on the matter.
 
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