Any sibilance in DT770s?
Feb 4, 2003 at 10:22 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 19

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I've been suffering through the 590s' sibilance during rock music vocals and am about to order a pair of 770s from MeierAudio.

Just wanting to know, is the treble REALLY rolled off, with no hint of sibilance, or is it smooth so that one would not really notice it?

I'm trying to go as far away from the sound of the 590s as possible - I love the sound of my PortaPros and want my new cans to sound like thise, only better.

Looking forward to it.
 
Feb 4, 2003 at 10:35 PM Post #2 of 19
Don't buy the DT770s if you want a headphone with a rolled-off high end. The DT770s have a high end that's second only to the grados in terms of impact imho.

They will sound sibilant and almost harsh if you use them with sub-$500 equipment; even then the treble is too aggressive for me. Refer to headroom's frequency response analysis for further info; the highs are boosted almost 15 decibels which is kind of ridiculous.

I'd rather you spend your cash on the HD600s; they have really smooth treble which, although it does sound a bit harsh at first, becomes very smooth after breaking in for a hundred hours or so.

The HD600s blow the DT770 away in every respect except impact and sub-bass response.

Cheers,
Geek
 
Feb 5, 2003 at 12:22 AM Post #3 of 19
I never had a problem withe 770pros high end, it's not harsh to my ears - the DT831 and 931 are much more difficult to listen to.

It depends on the music as well, I'm perfectly happy listening to Autechre on the 770pros without blinking 5 times every second.

Geek - you make pretty broad, sweeping "HD600 > * " statements fairly often - keep in mind there are people out there who don't think the HD600 is as enjoyable to listen to as the DT770pro
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Personally I think the DT770pro "blows away" the HD600.
 
Feb 5, 2003 at 12:48 AM Post #4 of 19
I only wish there was some way to hear them before buying.

Anyone in Toronto have a pair of DT770s I can hear?
 
Feb 5, 2003 at 12:58 AM Post #5 of 19
Trounce,

I must disagree 99% with Geek. I'm a "sibilance sensitive" guy myself and my HD-600's are permanently stuffed in the closet in favor of the 770's. The 600's may be more neutral and measure flatter, but they are also boring, bland, unemotional and completely uninteresting to me. I can't wear them for more than an hour because my lack of involvement in the music is distracting. I sit there thinking, "Boy, I really should be enjoying this more than I am." With the 770's I feel "connected" with the musicians. They are dynamic and exciting without being overwhelming, painful or tiring.

My 770's were a bit sharp when new, more "hashy" than sibilant though. I let them play continuously for 3 or 4 days and tried them again and the treble had smoothed considerably.

The frequency plot Geek mentioned reinforces my experience that these are not excessively sibilant phones. I've done some trial and error with an equalizer and have found that the danger zone for excessive sibilance is between 2500 and 6000 hz. Exaggerated levels from 6000 hz and up tends to emphasize the "tsshh tsshhh" of cymbals and make things like triangles and piccolos slice through the mix more, but don't have a dramatic effect on sibilance (if you define sibilance as the S's of DEATH). If you look at the curve for the DT 770 you will see that the headphone is actually recessed in the 2500-6000 hz danger zone, with a an elevated treble from ~7500 hz up.

As for Geek's proclamation that they are unacceptable with sub $500 equipment , I have found them to be an excellent match with the MG Head OTL which is priced significantly below $500.

These are not "perfect" headphones, but they are VERY enjoyable. You WILL tap your toes, bob your head and shake your booty while wearing these. You will NOT bleed from your ears.

I do agree with Geek about one thing: "The HD600s blow"
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Feb 5, 2003 at 1:00 AM Post #6 of 19
I came to the 770's from Grado SR 80's which were so harsh they caused my Tinnitus (well, probably not that alone).

The only recording that I have gotten Sibilance with has been the new Fall "Totally Wired" collection. A couple of the songs are so hot they almost distort. Ick.

I personally do not find the 770's harsh at all.
 
Feb 5, 2003 at 1:14 AM Post #7 of 19
Trounce,

why not ask Jan for his suggestion? he'll probably need to know what volume levels you are used to listening to, and your associated equipment.
 
Feb 5, 2003 at 1:54 AM Post #8 of 19
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As for Geek's proclamation that they are unacceptable with sub $500 equipment , I have found them to be an excellent match with the MG Head OTL which is priced significantly below $500.
These are not "perfect" headphones, but they are VERY enjoyable. You WILL tap your toes, bob your head and shake your booty while wearing these. You will NOT bleed from your ears.


stinkfoot, I couldn't agree more. In my case, the MG Head DT (no negative feedback) seems to do exceptionally well with both Beyers I have, the DT-770 and the DT-831. Better (to my ears), in fact, than the either the Sugden Headmaster or the Audio Valve RKV. Just my opinion, of course.
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Feb 5, 2003 at 2:00 AM Post #9 of 19
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Originally posted by stinkfoot71
Trounce,

I must disagree 99% with Geek. I'm a "sibilance sensitive" guy myself and my HD-600's are permanently stuffed in the closet in favor of the 770's. The 600's may be more neutral and measure flatter, but they are also boring, bland, unemotional and completely uninteresting to me. I can't wear them for more than an hour because my lack of involvement in the music is distracting. I sit there thinking, "Boy, I really should be enjoying this more than I am." With the 770's I feel "connected" with the musicians. They are dynamic and exciting without being overwhelming, painful or tiring.


My thoughts exactly.

The DT931s are similar in this respect, I sit there listening to music thinking "wow, these headphones sound amazing........"
With the 770pros, as I've said before
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I air guitar/drum along with music, tap my feet and just generally rock out.
The only reason I keep my DT931s around is because I hope someday to have a Corda so I can try out the 120ohm output
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Feb 5, 2003 at 2:06 AM Post #11 of 19
Can the Fixup Mini drive that 250ohm monster? It can hardly drive my 590s without clipping... damnation!

Oh well, I'll give Jan a ring-a-ding-mail and see if he can suggest something. I see to remember him saying, when posting his thoughts on the 880s, that he had always disliked the coloured, dark output of the 770s... but, fortunately, that is the type of sound I am looking for.

Thanks for the responses, everyone; I am currently writing an essay for my writing class about the addictive nature of headphone buying (and "gadget-buying" in general) and will post it when it is finished.

Take care all,

Trounce
 
Feb 5, 2003 at 4:14 AM Post #12 of 19
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Originally posted by Geek
The HD600s blow the DT770 away in every respect except impact and sub-bass response.

Cheers,
Geek


Sorry bro, i disagree. I own the 580's and the 770's, the 770's hands down destroy the 580's in terms of enjoyment. I had the chance to listen to a mg head and the 770's seemed to improve far more than the 580's did (even after i tube rolled several times).
 
Feb 5, 2003 at 4:16 AM Post #13 of 19
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Originally posted by Trounce
Can the Fixup Mini drive that 250ohm monster? It can hardly drive my 590s without clipping... damnation!



Well, my altoids and my cmoy drive the beyer's quite nicely, i have no complaints.
 
Feb 5, 2003 at 4:26 AM Post #15 of 19
Snufkin,

you may want to read the DT931 cable replacement project at: http://www.raymondaudio.nl/index.html

me, I'm tempted to use Cardas Quad cable (it think it's about 31 pf per foot). Heck, I'd like to try a Grado cable (I think he uses the Cardas Quad). Note the capacitor and resistor network in the driver (in the pictures). He's using Jan's tweaks.

and you may want to try a variation of this circuit for the DT931: http://headwize2.powerpill.org/proje...=beyer_prj.htm
 

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