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Music is different. If you think of buying music as the same as buying a car, I don't think you really love music. Paintings are also different. You can see a painting before you pay for it - you can't listen to an album before you pay.
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I suspect that music is different because it’s easier to take without paying for it. It’s easier to rationalize taking it without paying if there is no material object associated with it.
I guess you don’t like my example…what about someone who makes copies of a book? Does that work better for you?
I do love music…it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that I love it more than you, but that’s neither her nor there. I just don’t use my love of music to rationalize taking something without paying for it. I also don’t use it as an ad hominem slur to prop up an already weak justification for doing something that I know is ultimately wrong.
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Ok then what should I do? Only listen to the same 100 albums I can afford
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Yes…but that doesn’t have to be a bad thing. Perhaps your love of music would inspire you to make a better living, so that you could afford more music.
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So you don't think it's unfair that you have to pay for crap music you'll never listent to? Maybe you do, but I certainly don't have the money to pay for bad music. If you think it's a dud, then you wouldn't believe that the band deserved your money for that album? Am I right?
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If you don’t like the CD you bought, then sell it…it’s not that complicated. It’s part of the bargain that you strike when you buy a CD…there’s no guarantee that you’re going to like it at all, or than you won’t grow sick of it in rather short order. I have churned at least three times the CD’s that I currently own at my local used CD stores, or eBay, or LaLa…if I don’t like a CD, I don’t keep it and move on.
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The radio? **** me, that's genius. I want to hear music, not someone talking. And I want to hear the music I choose. I also want to listen to whole albums, not single songs.
Again, you're a genius! I'm sure the library's going to have a HUUGE range of CDs for me to listen to!!!!!! I guarantee you couldn't find 5% of my music collection in any library.
Rhapsody? Yahoo? Come on. We obviously listen to different music, because I couldn't find a quarter of the music I listen to in those things. And it would be in bad quality.
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Those are your legal options. If you want more than that, you will have to pay for it. That’s not fair, but life’s not fair…we are not entitled to all the things we want just because we want them and can take them without paying for them.
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...Have you ever been to a live concert? You cannot compare watching a live video with seeing a band in the flesh. That's just ****ing stupid. And concert tickets are definitely not awfully expensive - you're making a big generalisation there. And plenty of bands offer their live videos on the internet FOR FREE would you believe?!!1! It definitely doesn't stop people from going to their concerts.
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Yes, but concerts are expensive, and it’s art, and people shouldn’t have to PAY for that if they want it but can’t afford it, right?
You’re missing my point…you said (to paraphrase) well, they’ll find other ways to make money other than the CD sales. Well, I’m just making the point that one could potentially find ways to experience a live concert for free as well. That would, of course, also deprive the artist of revenue, and I was wondering whether you had a problem with that.
I guess my example doesn’t resonate with you…try this one: suppose that you could make exact copies of concert tickets and get in for free. Would you still buy tickets, I wonder? Or, knowing that this would deprive the artist of his money, would you simply attend the concerts for free as well?? I mean, you do love music, and that would make it OK, right?? Maybe you’d only pay upon exiting, and then only if you thought the concert was worth the money??
So…what would you do?? I have my suspicions, but I’d sure like to hear your answer.
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You ****ing idiot!
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This might be a good time for you to check out the “Rules/Terms of Use” link at the bottom of every page. If you can’t discuss an issue without personal attacks, then don’t discuss that issue.
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T-shirts aren't art. There are plenty of these "fellows" who sell unauthorised merchandise already and I'm sure there have been for years. It still doesn't effect merch sales. People who buy expensive t-shirts at concerts do so, knowing that their money's going straight to the band.
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Do you REALLY believe that sales of t-shirts by folks who pay nothing to the band don’t affect sales of t-shirts by the band? That’s pretty naïve if you ask me…it sounds like more rationalizing.
I am sure that, as you state, there are folks who insist on buying only the genuine article, so that the band can make their money. Of course, I’m sure that there are folks who buy CD’s instead of copying them for the same reason.
So…would you buy the genuine article, or the much cheaper unauthorized copy that gives no money to the band. Oh, and I mean the t-shirt, by the way.
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After reading your posts I wouldn't believe you if you said you actually loved music.
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After reading your posts, I’m in no position to make such a determination about you…nor frankly, are you about me. This is just an ad hominem slap attempting to prop up an argument that says that because you love music that you are entitled to take it without paying for it…and, since I don’t take it without paying for it, I clearly must not love music. As I’ve shown, that “logic” can be applied to all shape and form of things that may be taken without compensating the artist. This is ultimately what happens when you take something offered for sale without paying for it.
BTW - I’d wager a lot that I’ve got more music that I own than you have in total. Not that we could draw any conclusions from that.