What sort of music works best with the MG Head (or tubes in general?)
Dec 22, 2002 at 11:23 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 12

minya

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I'm real curious how a tube amp would affect the music I sound like.

I'm thinking Autechre.

Not sure if anyone here who primarily uses tube amps listen to Autechre, but it's electronic music that I'd probably describe as "clinical." Has some warm, soothing melodies, but as a whole most of Autechre's music is mechanical, inhuman, and clanky.

I listen to a lot of stuff like this and I'm wondering how it would sound on a tube amp....

And what about stuff like Godspeed You Black Emperor?

It seems like most tube amp owners here listen to mainly older jazz (which usually isn't recorded too well), classical, or classic rock. The stuff I listen to sounds pretty different.

Anyone able to offer any insights?

- Chris
 
Dec 24, 2002 at 5:24 AM Post #2 of 12
Hey minya ->That's a interesting question you pose there. I'm frankly surprised no one had the stones (or interest) to reply, but if it was important enough for you to post it, it is important enough for me to answer it. To be honest with you, I'm not that familiar with Auteche, or Godspeed You Black Emperor, but you described their music as having a "mechanical, inhuman, and clanky" sound. Well, let me put it this way, with my MG Head OTL -> HD 580 rig, it will make "mechanical" sound less mechanical, "inhuman"sound more human, and the "clankiness" will be rolled off, which may or may not tickle your fancy. I personally have a very diverse taste in music, and I think ALL kinds of music can sound great with the MG Head, it all depends on your own particular musical preference's. I hope that this will shed some insight for you? GlowWorm
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Dec 24, 2002 at 6:03 AM Post #3 of 12
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Originally posted by GlowWorm
Hey minya ->That's a interesting question you pose there. I'm frankly surprised no one had the stones (or interest) to reply, but if it was important enough for you to post it, it is important enough for me to answer. To be honest with you, I'm not that familiar with Auteche, or Godspeed You Black Emperor, but you discribed their music as having a "mechanical, inhuman, and clanky" sound. Well, let me put it this way, with my MG Head OTL -> HD 580 rig, it will make "mechanical" sound less mechanical, "inhuman" more human, and the "clankiness" will be rolled. Which may or may not tickle your fancy. I've personally have a very diverse taste in music, and I think ALL kinds of music can sound great with the MG Head, it all depends on your particular taste. I hope that this will shed some insight for you. GlowWorm


GlowWorm, thanks for the info. That does help, actually.
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I'm hoping I'll be able to build one of Paul Millett's DIY tube amps... if I'm able, I'll report back with my thoughts on how the tube sound affects the music I listen to.

Thanks!
- Chris
 
Dec 24, 2002 at 12:14 PM Post #5 of 12
Yeah! I too would like to know whether tubes take the impact out of electronic music or not and if so to what extent. I very much like electronic music and would appreciate your input in this area.
Cheers,
Alex Altorfer
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Dec 24, 2002 at 1:48 PM Post #6 of 12
I can attest that "Raise yr. skinny fists like antennas to heaven" sounds great on tube gear, so Godspeed You Black Emperor comes through just fine. Or, something like Einsturben Neubauten's "Five on the open-ended Richter scale" still has fantastic percussive impact. Then again, I've got some seriously good tube gear that doesn't attenuate impact at all.
 
Dec 24, 2002 at 1:54 PM Post #7 of 12
Hey, Alex Altorfer. I hope that my post to minya can help clarify your question? Maybe minya can supply some input, when he's able to see his Paul Millet project through?..... I used to date a girl(beautiful) from Sao Paulo for awhile when I was living in Miami Beach, allthough I never took her up on her offer to visit her when she returned to Brazil ( one of my life's regrets.) But I have been to Rio de Janeiro, and I think it's a very special place. I'll have to go back someday, and swing by Sao Paulo as well.
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Merry Christmas Alex, GlowWorm
 
Dec 24, 2002 at 2:25 PM Post #8 of 12
GlowWorm,

Yeah, you should drop by before she gets married or forgets about you.
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You have a Merry Christmas with lots of happy music listening yourself!

Cheers,
Alex Altorfer
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PS: I've never been to Pittsburgh but I lived in Philadelphia for five months and it's a really nice historical town. I saw the Liberty bell and all. Cool!
 
Dec 24, 2002 at 4:39 PM Post #9 of 12
Here's a naysayer's point of view.

I reject the notion that certain components are good for certain genres of music. The problem is that not everyone prioritizes sound qualities in the same way. So even if you and I are listening to the same component and the same source and amp, I may be listening more for timbre and detail while you're listening for smoothness and cohesion. Ultimately we're both listening for all of those things (and a lot else), but how do we rank what's important? That comes down to individual preference.

Worse yet, I reject the notion that all tube amps sound somehow similar by virtue of the fact that they have a tube in them. However, in the case of the MG Head, it does fit the tube stereotype to some extent: rolled off in the high treble, not very fast/articulate, smooth, doesn't quite reach the deepest bass extension, a little bumped in the lower mids (lush).

You can see why some folks would prefer that for jazz. The lowest low in jazz is a simple bass drum, the band is usually only two or three members so seperation is often less critical for most listeners, an electroc guitar is often used so timbre is sometimes ranked lower, and instruments like chello and violin are infrequent in jazz, so the upper treble rolloff isn't as missed. Moreover, the mood a jazz listener gets into is often a "relaxed" state of mind and a smooth sound is sometimes far more important than articulate detail. In fact, vocals are often so important to jazz that having the liquid realism in the upper midrange often overshadows everything else.

And this is all fine. As long as you listen to jazz with those priorities, the MG Head is probably a good solution. I know people who absolutely love their MG Heads and I absolutely can't blame them. That it does so many things so right for such a small investment is amazing. It's a great little amp.

Electronica is kind of a mixed bag here. When I listen to Electronica, I do have a tendency to expect really fast and articulate sounds, but timbre has hardly any importance at all. I mean really, it's a keyboard after all, right? But the problem I face more than anything is that when I hear ambient sounds, I want them to sound realistic. If it's a metal beam smashing on a concrete floor or a babbling brook, I expect them to sound like themselves, not some electronic fabrication. Critical to this is tonal linearity. The MG Head is not that at all and combined with the probblem it has with speed, I can see why some folk would prefer some other amp with that genre.

The MG Head does have a nice soundstage/headstage, though. This might be useful to you as I sometimes (often) feel somewhat assaulted by electronica that is too forward and in-your-face sounding. Just a little distance can sometimes be a good thing. Also, that bump in the lower mids I mentioned is something a lot of people like. It makes the "beat" easier to follow and for some people more enjoyable. An electronic bass is easier to forgive inaccuracies in than it is even in drums and bass guitar, much less pipeorgans and such.

So you have pros and cons. The real unfortunate thing about the MG Head is that most people don't seem to care for it with Grado headphones. The faster sounding and a little bright on top Grados might have mated well with the MG Head if not for for impedance issues. ASL is working on a new amp that should mate better to low impedance phones.

If you're using the stock tubes with the MG Head, definitely read some of the tuberolling threads. The ability to "tune" the MG Head to your liking a bit is one you shouldn't overlook.
 
Dec 25, 2002 at 7:05 AM Post #10 of 12
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Originally posted by kelly
Here's a naysayer's point of view.

I reject the notion that certain components are good for certain genres of music. The problem is that not everyone prioritizes sound qualities in the same way. So even if you and I are listening to the same component and the same source and amp, I may be listening more for timbre and detail while you're listening for smoothness and cohesion. Ultimately we're both listening for all of those things (and a lot else), but how do we rank what's important? That comes down to individual preference.


Right, I agree. I just meant by the original question, "what would this sound like on this?" since I have no experience with it before. I'm not even sure what I look for in music, so I'm not sure whether or not I'd like it.

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Worse yet, I reject the notion that all tube amps sound somehow similar by virtue of the fact that they have a tube in them. However, in the case of the MG Head, it does fit the tube stereotype to some extent: rolled off in the high treble, not very fast/articulate, smooth, doesn't quite reach the deepest bass extension, a little bumped in the lower mids (lush).


Well, the impression that I get from the reading I've done on Head-Fi is that there is a certain "signature" to tube amps. I'm sure they're not all similar, but there must be a certain something that sets them apart from solid state (which is why there are tube fans vs. SS fans, etc.)

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Electronica is kind of a mixed bag here. When I listen to Electronica, I do have a tendency to expect really fast and articulate sounds, but timbre has hardly any importance at all. I mean really, it's a keyboard after all, right? But the problem I face more than anything is that when I hear ambient sounds, I want them to sound realistic. If it's a metal beam smashing on a concrete floor or a babbling brook, I expect them to sound like themselves, not some electronic fabrication. Critical to this is tonal linearity. The MG Head is not that at all and combined with the probblem it has with speed, I can see why some folk would prefer some other amp with that genre.


Yeah, I hear you, and my problem is that a lot of the electronic music I listen to sounds unbelievably different from each other.


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If you're using the stock tubes with the MG Head, definitely read some of the tuberolling threads. The ability to "tune" the MG Head to your liking a bit is one you shouldn't overlook.


Tuberolling sounds interesting... if a bit daunting! I'll look into it...


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Dec 25, 2002 at 7:09 AM Post #11 of 12
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Originally posted by Hirsch
I can attest that "Raise yr. skinny fists like antennas to heaven" sounds great on tube gear, so Godspeed You Black Emperor comes through just fine. Or, something like Einsturben Neubauten's "Five on the open-ended Richter scale" still has fantastic percussive impact. Then again, I've got some seriously good tube gear that doesn't attenuate impact at all.


Gotta love Einsturben Neubauten, eh?
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Dec 27, 2002 at 1:54 AM Post #12 of 12
heh. Autechre through a tube amp, what a freakin' weird idea. (
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) i would think the warmness of a tube amp wouldn't mesh well with experimental electronica, but who knows.
i found 43 Autechre tracks on my hard drive. its a good time to put them to use.
 

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