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The Gallo's skeletal structure is pretty original granted. I forgot to mention the MBL - Radialstrahler and of course the B&W Nautilus, these are truly groundbreaking but....


Sorry off-Axis drive units, dual concentric drivers and fero fluid cooled tweeters are not particularly new or exiting.

Driver materials, sizes and cone designs go around in circles tweaking what is essentially 1930's technology.

The same can be said for cabinet designs which if anything have got markedly worse in the last few decades due to cheaper composite materials.

I did not say Bose invented the bass reflex port either. What I said was most elements in speaker design are very old and what the vast majority of manufacturers do is recombine these elements and repackage them to suit contemporary interior design.

Bose took a few well tried and tested technologies in the shape of conventional compact mid drivers, folded lines and ported cabinets and COMBINED them in an original way into a compact array in their PA speakers and this methodology has more or less defined the way modern domestic speakers have been constructed in the last decade.

bottom line, for me, is... i think Bose is an easy target, and i agree there's a lot of bandwagon jumping when bashing the company. they do use cheap materials, they do charge a lot for what you get... but beyond that, if Bose floats someone's boat, more power to 'em.

i have a friend who's a hardcore, 2nd generation audiophile. he's got a wall full of McIntosh, massive full-rangers at front... and a pair of Bose jewel-cubes propped on a shelf. when he's just putzing about, he'll turn on the cubes and a velodyne sub and he's happy as can be.

so ultimately, i'm laissez-faire. if someone asks for an alternative (as russdog did), i'll happily offer one.

bose is just another company trying to make a buck. and making a buck is what it does best.

They are definitely mid-fi (unless you're referring to their auto systems, which are a step lower even. Gotta give credit to their marketing....I don't hate 'em, I just don't buy or recommend them to anyone.

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Bose isn't out to make a buck, they are out to rob you blind.. Any company that puts more money into marketing then the actual product they sell tells me they take no pride in their work, & would rather fool the sheep in the world instead of making quality sound for what they charge..They wont release their specs, & for good reason..They don't want the public to know how pathetic they are.. ppl that like BOSE are ppl who never heard good sounding headphones or speakers.. Thats really the bottom line..No highs. No lows. Must be BOSE..

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BOSE is low fi..Based on the price they sell their equpiment at..

kool bubba ice,

Isn't it amazing how well Bose does considering how much negative feedback can be found on almost any(I'm guessing) A/V related website?

So is it that the only people who buy Bose products have never researched their proposed purchase on the internet?

I've never purchased any Bose product and I mean no disrespect for any person reading this that has...having said that, I have dissected one of those single cube speakers and they are pitiful considering the cost.

I've read the famous link and I find it hard to believe that anyone would go out and buy a...can't even think of the name of it(a good thing I think)...little cube things with bass module after reading that slaughtering revalation.

The funny thing is that even as a child I was into audio equipment and in the seventh grade I did a class presentation on Amar.

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This is kinda funny coming from a post on a hi-fi site. Go get your basic $25,000 pair of speakers, or your $5000 amp, or any number of well respected cans, tear them apart, and tell me how much the components cost.

(BTW, is there any chance you would consider making your sig smaller? Every time you post, even if you only say 3 words, it pretty much eats the whole screen because of the super-large list of your various belongings. I ain't saying it's wrong to do that, but it would be nice if it didn't gobble so much space every time.)

Bose- better sound through research...better than what?--a tin can on a string? ((((OK OK I take that back, please don't lock this thread!!))))

Now go buy and audition.
http://www.bose.com/controller?event...132&src=k40132




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I've wanted to comment on that before, but hey! it's a free world...or is it?

Notice how small and unintimidating mine is?

edit~ better than my old one?

[size=x-small]home[/size]:[size=x-small] Denon CDR > Aphex 204 > CC-1 > WA3 > HD 650 / DT-880,770 / K240 S&M[/size]
[size=x-small]portable[/size]:[size=x-small] Zen Vision:M / Sony MZ-NH600D > Supermini IV/ Micro / PA2v2 > ER4P/E4Pro[/size]

TEAM Big Bottom ~ TEAM ETY ~ TEAM CROSSFEED ~ TEAM HD 650

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Embarrasing as it is when I first got into hifi about 6 years ago I was saving up for a Bose system. But I wasn't the type to let go of that much money without research, and thank god I did.

Sorry but this is mostly nonsense. Nobody has come up with a serious reason as to why you all hate Bose. At least one that doesn't apply to many another Hi-Fi company.

I know this is a forum mainly dedicated to headphone listening and that Bose headphones are not meant to be very good compared to equivalently priced normal headphones but as someone pointed out that's probably becuase they are designed to be used on aeroplanes so it's not a particularly fair comparison.

Since nobody seems to have heard any of their P.A gear, which is what made their reputation and the design of which has been very influential on domestic speakers, then it seems slightly near-sighted to put it mildly to denigrate them to this degree.

One or two people like russdog are offering commonsense balanced views but most of you seem to be offering nothing but irrational sentimentality. Frankly I expected more....

If you find paying twice to three times the money to get the same level of sound quality not a sufficient reason not to like a company than I do not think any of us can convince you otherwise.

We are head-fi. Many of us have speakers, and headphones. I fly quite often but the 28hour trip from Australia to Austria doesn't bother me, even with my canal phones I sleep through most of it. I wouldn't go out and buy bose headphones because of it.

Furthermore I don't think very many of us would have PAs in our living rooms. Planes, PAs, and cars are not what Bose means to us.

To me Bose is a hifi company. One that makes headphones which do not offer anything resembling value for money. One that makes stereo and surround sound lifestyles that do not resemble anything close to value for money. One that makes floor standing speakers which sound so bad I wouldn't buy them for half or even quarter of the price. One which is so facinated by using psychoacoustic tricks to coverup holes in downright misguided speaker design, that the resulting sound looses all realism.

Now if that is not enough of a reason to hate them I do not know what is. This is not irrational sentimentality. I stated in my last post I researched their gear, ALL their gear, INCLUDING their current small PA speaker upon someone elses recomendation, while looking at my very first hifi system, and not a signle product justified the price in its range. While I can't speak for others, there is nothing religious about my views. Bose to me is simply a company so focused on marketing and profit they they have forgotten how to make "better sound through research"

Also I'm not sure if the P.A. gear you are talking about is in their current range or products from a time gone by, but while I looked at current products 5 years ago my local ice rink's main stage had Bose gear, and I must say i much preffered even cheap Yamaha PAs.

Because they imo have a bad quality to price ratio!
Low-end quality for a mid-end price.

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Well, there's your problem right there. Why make an assumption like that, unless you like getting aggravated by companies you don't buy from? They are a R&D & marketing company. One of their big focus areas is "upscale audio lifestyle gear", that's what they do. If you want to make up stories about how they cater to a hifi audience, you can certainly do that. But that hasn't been true since soon after the original 901's. They do not cater to a hifi audience, which is part of why people here get so snotty about them. The simple truth is that Bose has many, many satisfied customers. I think it's hilarious that that one fact drives so many people around here crazy.

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Then why do they advertise in S&V, HT, etc.?

Give it up dude, the Bose claim of "better sound through research" is insinuating that their audio products are somehow better than competitors.If you compare what you can get for $4,000 from Bose and $4,000 from, say Marantz and Paradigm (build your own system)...it's a TOTAL joke.--- http://www.bose.com/controller?event...ls48_dvd_index

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Ummm Grado RA-1s anyone?

$2000+ cables that are just repackaged 2 cent cables made overseas?


World of audiophile has a lot more "rip-offs" than Bose