DIY Power Conditioner.

Dec 23, 2005 at 11:57 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 27

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Hi Friends,

Does anybody have a power conditioner schematic? Is it a computer's power conditioners ( nobreaks, stabilizators, etc ) that is used in my amplifier? I thinking about making a power conditioner, but I don´t have the schematic.

Thanks in Advance
Have a nice Merry Chrsmas!
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 12:17 PM Post #2 of 27
why don't you just get an iec socket for the power supply that has a mains filter/conditioner in it.. they're pretty cheap
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 12:59 PM Post #3 of 27
Yeah! In my amplifier I put a filter on the input. ( Choke and 2 capacitors ).

I thinking I need a power conditioner, with regulation of AC line stabilished in 110v... In here the voltage varies in 117~121v... I think it modifier any in the Amplifier...

Does it much complicated to do? A power conditioner, with regulation of AC Line... I have in my amplifier 14,600uf of capacitance ( 2x 4700uf, 8x 100uf, 2x 2200uf )... I don't see noise in my ears and in my PC Osciloscope.

My powersupply varies in 16.1~16.3v

Is disnecessary use a power regulator?

Thanks in Advance,
Have a nice Merry Chrmas

Felipe Navarro
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 1:32 PM Post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by Mod_Evil
Yeah! In my amplifier I put a filter on the input. ( Choke and 2 capacitors ).

I thinking I need a power conditioner, with regulation of AC line stabilished in 110v... In here the voltage varies in 117~121v... I think it modifier any in the Amplifier...

Does it much complicated to do? A power conditioner, with regulation of AC Line... I have in my amplifier 14,600uf of capacitance ( 2x 4700uf, 8x 100uf, 2x 2200uf )... I don't see noise in my ears and in my PC Osciloscope.

My powersupply varies in 16.1~16.3v



Why don't you just regulate the DC using an LM317+LM337? that way when the voltage varies, the voltage to the amp won't.
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 1:44 PM Post #6 of 27
Power conditioners come in a number of forms and price, and address slightly different needs.

Slight variations in mains voltage are nothing to worry about at all. There is always a bit of variation. But the supply is no more than about 10% out you won't see much in the way of ill effects - certainly not in a head amp. It can be a bit critical in tube based designs - they may start to wear out tubes significantly faster with higher voltages.

Where audio likes power conditioning is not so much in regulating the voltage, but in keeping higher frequency crud out of the feed.

Cheap computer power conditioners are essentially the same as uninterruptible power supplies. In fact most UPS designs are conditioners as well. The cheap ones are connected in parallel with the supply, and actually buck any change in voltage (all the way to total loss of supply, when they are acting as a UPS.) These designs do not provide much isolation from lone noise, and are pretty useless for audio.

The most expensive dual conversion designs take the mains, take it down to a lower DC voltage (which is the same as the battery voltage) and then up convert to AC again. This has very high quality isolation and provides very clean power.

Alternate conditioners that are not based upon UPS designs are either auto-transformers or ferroresonant conditioners. Auto transformers only provide a constant voltage and use a servo mechanism to select the appropriate tap on the transformer to maintain the right voltage. They do provide limited cleaning of the power due to high frequency losses in the transformer core.

Ferroresonant conditioners use a mixture of capacitors and inductors in a very clever system in which the saturation of the inductor core is used to regulate the output voltage. These can provide quite high quality power and voltage regulation within reasonable bounds. They are expensive and really heavy! But a favourite with some audio buffs.

OK, but a schematic? No. There is no chance at all that you could ever compete on price with the cheap UPS systems that are available, even proper dual conversion ones. You can get dual conversion conditioners - it is simply the UPS without buying the batteries. Which can be a big saving. Building a UPS is not a DIY project. You are both using, and generating lethal voltages. Worse, the up converted voltages are just as lethal, and your house's residual current detector (or ELCB) won't detect electrocution with that supply. Auto-transformer and ferroresonant conditioners cannot be built form parts. The only source of parts will be manufacturers of conditioners.
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 2:50 PM Post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by Jazper
Why don't you just regulate the DC using an LM317+LM337? that way when the voltage varies, the voltage to the amp won't.


My power supply is okay. The voltage is 16v, and vary to 16.1~16.2v.

I need is a Main Voltage Conditioner, because my main voltage very to 117~121... Is this a big big vary?

This conditioner http://www.triode-systems.com/module...er-circuit.png is really good?

I have a idea, consists in put a isolator transformator to conditioner the main voltage, and put a regulator of the voltage in the output of the transformer.

Frist filter - Transformer - Second filter - Regulator

Is this good?

The principal problem is found a isolator transformer in Brazil, it will be hard to find in here.

A other idea is make a "nobreak" and Supply my Headphone Amplifier and my future CD-Player.

Is this a good idea?

Francis,
I think make a UPS isn't a good idea... Bacause will make letal voltages... hheheh...
Is a good idea, use 2 12v 4A battery to power my Headphone Amplifier?

Have a Nice Chrsmas,
Best Regards,
Felipe Navarro.
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 3:00 PM Post #8 of 27
http://dansdata.com/diyups.htm
That's one approach that can be done with just a very small amount of electrical knowledge.

BTW, a simple way to make a large isolation transformer is to buy many low voltage transformers and connect the secondaries in series, so the secondaries add up to 120v. Some trial and error will probably be necessary to get the right phase.
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 3:09 PM Post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by star882
http://dansdata.com/diyups.htm
That's one approach that can be done with just a very small amount of electrical knowledge.

BTW, a simple way to make a large isolation transformer is to buy many low voltage transformers and connect the secondaries in series, so the secondaries add up to 120v. Some trial and error will probably be necessary to get the right phase.



Hmmm. Or I can buy a Isolation transformer from the Toroid... Toroid have a Fabric in Brazil...

I have a big 6+6v transformer from a old UPS, anybody have a schematic with 6+6v transformers?

Best Regards,
Felipe Navarro
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 3:34 PM Post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by Mod_Evil
Hmmm. Or I can buy a Isolation transformer from the Toroid... Toroid have a Fabric in Brazil...

I have a big 6+6v transformer from a old UPS, anybody have a schematic with 6+6v transformers?

Best Regards,
Felipe Navarro



If you have just one, nope, there's no way. But if you have two, connect the secondaries in parallel, apply power to one primary and get it from the other primary.
Or you can add a rectifier and controller to charge car batteries with it (which you can use to power an inverter), but that's probably too complex for you.
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 3:49 PM Post #11 of 27
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mod_Evil
I need is a Main Voltage Conditioner, because my main voltage very to 117~121... Is this a big big vary?


No, this is a small variation and should be nothing to worry about. Most power correction devices like a UPS do not correct power to smaller variations than this (unless specially configured).
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 3:49 PM Post #12 of 27
Quote:

Originally Posted by star882
If you have just one, nope, there's no way. But if you have two, connect the secondaries in parallel, apply power to one primary and get it from the other primary.
Or you can add a rectifier and controller to charge car batteries with it (which you can use to power an inverter), but that's probably too complex for you.



Hmmm... No it isn't complex... I can mount a simple inverser. I have any experiency with eletronic, I have read any books and mound any amplifiers with chips and transistors.

In this metod to use 2 transformers, Can I use this metod to make a virtual ground too?

Best Regards,
Felipe Navarro
 
Dec 23, 2005 at 4:05 PM Post #13 of 27
Dec 23, 2005 at 4:16 PM Post #14 of 27
It isn't make difference?

Is this a interessing upgrade for a headphone system?

I will invest my money in others upgrades and a simple Power Conditioner. With 6 capacitors and a Chocke Filter.

Thanks in Advance for all opinions.

Have a nice Merry Chrsmas!

Best Regards,
Felipe Navarro
 
Dec 24, 2005 at 2:08 AM Post #15 of 27
It did. Bear in mind I live right next to an industrial estate and our power goes up and down like crazy. I'm just saying the differences were so incredibly slight that it's not worth building one of thoes linked http://www.triode-systems.com/module...php?category=1 when you can buy the entire thing built into a simple IEC plug or buy them as mains attachments for under $20
 

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