I have seen and treated literally hundreds if not thousands of drug addicts.I have yet to meet one who actually wanted to be addicted to drugs.I wonder how many nit-wits tried drugs to better their music and got hooked instead.Did they think that drugs would substitute for practice or hard work?If you want to see the before and after effects of drug abuse on a super talented musician rent or buy Stevie Ray's "Live from Austin Texas" DVD.The earlier date is the drug addict Stevie and the later the clean and sober Stevie.The difference is astonishing.You cannot tell me that drugs brought about some talent or creativity from a person that was not always inside them.That is just stupid.Ask a Junkie if drugs make his life better in any way.If you don't know any, be glad and stop making stupid assumptions about drug abuse.

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As I said, emphatically and repeatedly (try reading my posts next time), I don't think drugs make anyone's music better. But I also don't think they make it worse or that all the albums created by hopped-up artists would have been so much better if they were clean.

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not once in this thread did anybody state comments about "illegal drugs." the only term being used so far is simply "drug" or "drugs." hence, i am not lumping "all drugs" into a single category, since we are only talking about DRUGS there is only one category!

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dictionary.com definition of drug:
A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.
how many people do you know (if you're not one of them yourself) that "need" coffee every morning when they wake up or they "can't get started"? sounds like addiction to me, which allows coffee to possibly reside within the definition of a drug.

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oh, okay. so because a drug is legalized, that makes it no longer a drug? wow, you trust the government a whole lot more than i do..

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nobody listens, nobody cares. you think that some head-fier about to light-up a bowl this weekend stops and thinks "oh wait, i shouldn't do this.. john_jcb said drugs are bad!" then instead starts reading war and peace and puts on "a love supreme"? yeah. right. it isn't going to happen, drugs are part of our culture and never going to leave it.

and since nobody has commented on my original statement, i'm pretty sure that all of you "life experienced" head-fiers have used drugs as well. so please stop giving the "do what i say, not what i did" routine.

You can play around all you want with semantics and definitions and delude yourself into thinking that anything is all right. Learning from the successes and mistakes of others is one way to progress without having to experience everything for yourself. I don’t feel the need to debate the merits of drug use with you or anyone else for that matter for in the end you will do what you want. I would only hope that people think about the consequences of their actions before they try something.

okay, you win..


for the record, i have never used any illegal drugs, not once and not ever. i do not drink alcohol, i do not drink coffee, and i do not smoke cigarettes. maybe around once a year, i'll take some kind of over-the-counter medication. taking from your consistent erosion from my statements, i can easily assume that you can't say the same thing. however, you find it very easy to point out to younger people what they should or should not do. i can't wait to gain all that life experience, so that i can be smart. however, until then i am going to go "play around" with my dictionary..

Grinch,

I on occasion will have wine with dinner and a cup of coffee in the morning. I have btw never smoked or used illegal drugs. One thing that I would say about your last comment is that unfortunately the use of illegal drugs is not confined to the younger people out there. The reason my comments may have been slanted towards younger people is that they may still have the opportunity to choose. John Entwistle was by no means a young man but I think he made his choices a long time ago. I just hope that someone may read this thread and think twice and if all goes well have the opportunity to gain the life experiences.

john entwistle was one of the great bass players in history, playing for arguably the most influencial group ever, and he passed away. i know a few people who were deeply affected by his death.

instead of this drug semantics debate, go out and pick up a copy of "the who sings my generation, "the who sell out" and "a quick one (happy jack)". rest, let your mind go free, and see the creativity and power of a band inspired. after your mind is sufficently blown, drop in "tommy" and "quadrophenia".

for christ's sake, an amazing musician passed away. why are we focussing on something like drugs instead of what he contributed through his life? at least have the decency to start a new thread.

(walks to the record player to flip to side two of "live at leeds")