The Sennheiser HD-600 thread
Apr 29, 2010 at 7:51 PM Post #481 of 672
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Originally Posted by shane55 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I'm not thinking of making my own ANYTHING.
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Two things.
1) since the cables are said to have issues
2) since the sound quality has been reported to greatly improve...

I figured I'd consider re-cabling sooner than later. But I can not do this work.
Is it something I need to do myself? If it is, I'll just lave to live with them the way they are and hope that I never have any problems.
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shane



No you don't have to do any work for a new cable, the cables are removable (did you know that?). You can buy new ones from wherever, but they are pretty expensive. I did see one in the for sale forum for 150 bucks which is I guess cheap. I've just read so many conflicting opinions on cables that its really not in my head to do it right now. Later perhaps, after I get my new amp!
 
Apr 29, 2010 at 8:15 PM Post #482 of 672
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Originally Posted by Paganini Alfredo /img/forum/go_quote.gif
No you don't have to do any work for a new cable, the cables are removable (did you know that?). You can buy new ones from wherever, but they are pretty expensive. I did see one in the for sale forum for 150 bucks which is I guess cheap. I've just read so many conflicting opinions on cables that its really not in my head to do it right now. Later perhaps, after I get my new amp!


Hahaha... I'm such an idiot. I had no idea they were detachable. All I've been doing with them is listening to them!
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Well, you certainly have a good point. Maybe I'll hold off even thinking about this until either they shread... or I'm looking to tinker.
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shane
 
Apr 29, 2010 at 10:11 PM Post #483 of 672
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Originally Posted by shane55 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Hahaha... I'm such an idiot. I had no idea they were detachable. All I've been doing with them is listening to them!
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Well, you certainly have a good point. Maybe I'll hold off even thinking about this until either they shread... or I'm looking to tinker.
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shane



I'd suggest trying out the HD-650 cable. Lots of people seem to think it makes a difference. It's apparently NOT just thicker plastic, but thicker wire too. I don't know if it will make any difference to my ears, but it's worth a try.

I ordered mine from Sennheiser for $12 + $6 shipping. Everywhere else it's $40.

I don't think I could ever, ever convince myself to buy a $200 cable. I would do it if I could be absolutely sure I could return it if I saw ZERO difference. I don't even want to know the markups on a $200 cable.
 
Apr 29, 2010 at 10:16 PM Post #484 of 672
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Originally Posted by Paganini Alfredo /img/forum/go_quote.gif
No you don't have to do any work for a new cable, the cables are removable (did you know that?). You can buy new ones from wherever, but they are pretty expensive. I did see one in the for sale forum for 150 bucks which is I guess cheap. I've just read so many conflicting opinions on cables that its really not in my head to do it right now. Later perhaps, after I get my new amp!


Yes. I agree with this. Fiddle with recabling only if you can really afford to or if you can economically make your own. A typical 3rd party recable for the Senn's will run you over $200. My Blue Dragon was $225. I'd not go there if you're not already up to snuff with your other equipment. Too much controversy there that even I wonder if the difference I'm hearing is one that anyone else reasonably would.
 
Apr 29, 2010 at 10:37 PM Post #485 of 672
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I'd suggest trying out the HD-650 cable. Lots of people seem to think it makes a difference. It's apparently NOT just thicker plastic, but thicker wire too. I don't know if it will make any difference to my ears, but it's worth a try.

I ordered mine from Sennheiser for $12 + $6 shipping. Everywhere else it's $40.

I don't think I could ever, ever convince myself to buy a $200 cable. I would do it if I could be absolutely sure I could return it if I saw ZERO difference. I don't even want to know the markups on a $200 cable.



Ooo... I like this idea. Let us know what you think!
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shane
 
Apr 30, 2010 at 7:26 AM Post #486 of 672
Anything but the stock HD600 cable, IMHO; I am becoming convinced that my problems with excess "brightness" on my first pair of HD600s was because of the stock cable. The HD650 cable is indeed an improvement, but a Cardas (or better) will be another step up, with of course the appropriate amount of dimini$hing returns.
 
Apr 30, 2010 at 8:33 AM Post #487 of 672
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I'd suggest trying out the HD-650 cable. Lots of people seem to think it makes a difference. It's apparently NOT just thicker plastic, but thicker wire too. I don't know if it will make any difference to my ears, but it's worth a try.

I ordered mine from Sennheiser for $12 + $6 shipping. Everywhere else it's $40.

I don't think I could ever, ever convince myself to buy a $200 cable. I would do it if I could be absolutely sure I could return it if I saw ZERO difference. I don't even want to know the markups on a $200 cable.



I strongly recommend using Mogami cable to recable your HD600's with. That's what I have been using and I love it. Not sure if i'm going to recable my HD800's, I may someday, but the stock cable seems very nice so far.

On that note: the HD800 kills the HD600 in every possible way, but I will always remain a fan of the HD600's. They are a great heasphone and cheap for what you get (and most can afford them).
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Apr 30, 2010 at 9:11 AM Post #488 of 672
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Originally Posted by Suntory_Times /img/forum/go_quote.gif
On that note: the HD800 kills the HD600 in every possible way, but I will always remain a fan of the HD600's. They are a great heasphone and cheap for what you get (and most can afford them).
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The HD800 doesn't kill the HD600 in every possible way. Sometimes the soundstage of the HD800 can actually be too big for the music. I've only listened to an HD800 at local meets, but with some music the soundstage did sound too big and out of proportion for the space of the music. It was as if a small club band recording suddenly found itself in a much larger room but the acoustics in the recording didn't support that larger size. Odd. In cases like that I might prefer the HD600.

I gotta stick up for the HD600 when I can.
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Can't let him be totally pwned by the HD800. Especially in his appreciation thread.
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Apr 30, 2010 at 9:35 AM Post #489 of 672
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Originally Posted by Ham Sandwich /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The HD800 doesn't kill the HD600 in every possible way. Sometimes the soundstage of the HD800 can actually be too big for the music. I've only listened to an HD800 at local meets, but with some music the soundstage did sound too big and out of proportion for the space of the music. It was as if a small club band recording suddenly found itself in a much larger room but the acoustics in the recording didn't support that larger size. Odd. In cases like that I might prefer the HD600.

I gotta stick up for the HD600 when I can.
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Can't let him be totally pwned by the HD800. Especially in his appreciation thread.
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I love the HD600's don't get me wrong, but i've yet to listen to anything where I felt the hd600's where better. I'm not trying to pawn the HD600's as i'm a massive fan, and to be fair the HD600's do pawn the HD800's in terms of dollar/output ratio. But that is always the case with diminishing returns, and in terms of audio performance the HD800 was simply on another level (and given there price they should be).
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I respect your opinion though, just remember everyone is entitled to there opinion, mine is simply different to yours (I used the HD600's more or less exclusivly for over three years, and whilst I have sold them on I somewhat wish I had held on to them for sentimental reasons).
 
Apr 30, 2010 at 10:30 AM Post #490 of 672
I didn't care for the effect the HD650 cable had on the HD600; I thought it sounded unfocused and sloppy compared to the stock HD600 cable. IMHE, the Cardas cable better suited the HD600, too. Plus, the RAL Paradise Cryo Silver better suited the HD650, IMHE.

Typically, I always preferred the HD600 to the 650, that is, until I heard the HD650 driven by the Darkvoice 337, so it may have been more of an amping than a cabling issue between these two.
 
Apr 30, 2010 at 3:22 PM Post #491 of 672
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Anything but the stock HD600 cable, IMHO; I am becoming convinced that my problems with excess "brightness" on my first pair of HD600s was because of the stock cable. The HD650 cable is indeed an improvement, but a Cardas (or better) will be another step up, with of course the appropriate amount of dimini$hing returns.


Wow... excess brightness is not one of the issues with my HD600. If anything mine have very slightly subdued highs.

I could probably live with these just the way they are. They are exceptional. But you know upgraditis… if I can ‘improve’ on the great sound… if even slightly, that’s always a good thing.

But I have more money than I have time (not that I have much of either), so I’m not looking to build or make or create any cables, if I can not buy and plug in... I ain’t doin’ it.
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shane
 
May 1, 2010 at 7:29 AM Post #492 of 672
Well i've been using my HD-600's for about a week now so far. No complaints at all really. I'm extremely picky with headphones and usually know if i'm going to like it within the first few hours. It seems like only a small percentage of headphones have the type of sound i'm looking for. I won't go on and on about why I like these, but a few general comments. As you may have read, I compared the AKG 702 side by side to these FOREVER and my ears ended up liking the HD-600 a bit better mostly because they were more fun to me. Both are amazing headphones of course. The 702 was a poor fit to me. I did some rather long winded comparisons and i'm sure you can find them around here still.

So i'm impressed with these a lot in the first few days and then one day I turn them on and they sound way different. Strangely they started sounding better after they "warmed up" for 15 minutes. I don't know how on earth this happened. Perhaps I just had some bad music tracks or my ears were not interested in listening to music or maybe I was tired.

The thing I noticed about these headphones is that they're not very forgiving of poor quality music. I have a few very rare and old MP3 rips of old CDs I bought and my original CDs have become scratched, so I can't fix them. They're all imports, so I can't just go out and buy them so they're out of print.

I've found it's so extremely easy to spot the "garbage" tracks on these headphones. Even more so then on the AKG 702 and even my SRH-840. I don't know why this is really.

On a few tracks everything sounds amazing and then suddenly I heard some tracks and it's so hard to hear vocals. I'm thinking to myself "what's wrong with my headphones?!" and then I tried the same track on two other pairs of headphones and it's just as hard to hear.

I'm thinking that a lot of my music is poorly recorded/made, despite them being ALAC or WAV. Some of the Japanese music from my favorite singer sounds pretty harsh on nearly every headphone. It still sounds bad on the HD-600, but it's toned down a bit. Garbage in and Garbage out they say I guess. I feel like if I tested myself on these headphones between 160kbps and 320kbps mp3, i'd have to be stupid to not be able to guess which one had the better audio quality. I have a few tracks that are 128kbps from years ago. Ewww. They're the ones that I can't "fix".

I use these with a fairly good receiver and even with that they sound great. I'm liking these headphones so much that i'm definitely getting a desktop amp. I've tried them with two portable amps and the sound quality out of them is not bad at all. Not 100% as good as from a desktop amp, but not horrible.

Don't laugh, but I plan on using these for 30-60 minutes every other day during exercise with a Nuforce Mobile. I've got this nice cheap case, where I can attach the tiny amp to the front cover of the case (and flip it over) and it works perfectly. The volume and sound quality is good enough to get me by. The volume is actually quite loud and yes I know about the degraded quality somewhat, but this is only 30 minutes every other day. Any other time i'll use it with my receiver and desktop amp.

On a portable amp, the bass is reduced slightly, but strangely on the Nuforce Mobile they still have a lot of bass. The HD-600 sound quality straight out of a Ipod Touch was very, very BAD. I did that for only about a minute and never wanted to do that again.

Someone mentioned the brightness of the Hd-600 with the HD-600 cable is too much. I think it's actually a step down from the AKG 702 and DT-880 32 ohm. It never gets so bad it's annoying. Not once and my ears are pretty sensitive to some of the upper frequencies and that's one reason I wanted to get the HD-600. I heard they're toned down a bit from other headphones. Of course, not as much as the HD-650 though.

I'll probably upgrade the cable to a good one after I get a decent amp. My receiver seems to be doing a good job, but i'm definitely upgrading to a desktop amp. Since I work at a desk for 8 hours a day, it's not been something i've been looking forward too. Of course it doesn't have to be at my computer I guess!

BTW today I watched two 2 1/2 hour long basketball games while listening to music with these headphones on. My ears get a bit hot but overall I felt like they were not even on my head. The music out of them doesn't fatigue my ears AT ALL. With my SRH-840 the music is so detailed that I can't listen to some music for over two hours, but I still love them. The highs can be slightly fatiguing on those headphones, but it's not too bad. I feel those were a bit better with electronic music, but i'm not sure why. Some music feels a bit more natural on the HD-600 over the SRH-840. I like both.

The HD-600 has the most bass out of any headphone i've heard other then the D2000, but I like it. It's taken me awhile to get into it though. I thought the SRH-840 had a lot of bass until I heard these. I put back on the SRH-840 and my first thought is "Where's the bass?!".

I listen to some weird music, but one thing i've noticed is that Cantonese Pop (Cantopop!) sounds incredible out of any good $200+ headphone. It's the least "picky" music out of everything I have. That's not a music most people would want to check into it, but some of it I like. I basically will try anything I normally don't like right now due to having nice, new headphones. Maybe even Rap or Country!
 
May 1, 2010 at 7:52 AM Post #493 of 672
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Originally Posted by shane55 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Wow... excess brightness is not one of the issues with my HD600. If anything mine have very slightly subdued highs.


Hmm... the mystery continues. My new (used) pair came with a Cardas cable, and are much smoother. I have a couple of other shorter high-end cables that get all the use now as the Cardas is too long for desktop use, but I don't have a stock cable to test my hypothesis.

My first pair was purchased new from LP Gear, and the pair I have now came from an eBay seller in the UK. I have the newer drivers now, don't know what version I had before.

I wouldn't quite say the highs are subdued, but this pair is definitely not bright like the first, which never seemed to "break in"
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May 1, 2010 at 8:37 AM Post #495 of 672
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Originally Posted by Suntory_Times /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I love the HD600's don't get me wrong, but i've yet to listen to anything where I felt the hd600's where better. I'm not trying to pawn the HD600's as i'm a massive fan, and to be fair the HD600's do pawn the HD800's in terms of dollar/output ratio. But that is always the case with diminishing returns, and in terms of audio performance the HD800 was simply on another level (and given there price they should be).
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I respect your opinion though, just remember everyone is entitled to there opinion, mine is simply different to yours (I used the HD600's more or less exclusivly for over three years, and whilst I have sold them on I somewhat wish I had held on to them for sentimental reasons).



The HD800 is truly a different level than the HD600. No doubt about that. And amazing to listen to. It's a "that's really possible on headphones?" kind of amazing listening experience. I've had the chance to listen to it and I do like it. Some things while listening to it did strike me as odd. Not necessarily odd in a bad way, just odd as in something unexpected from a headphone.
 

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