Difference between home receivers and headphone Amps
Aug 10, 2005 at 6:47 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 7

sirnice

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I have an ONKYO HT_R500 5.1 ch. home stereo receiver. It has a headphone out (also optical in/out).
I'm wondering, how does this compare to other amps like gilmore lite... etc...

Whats the difference? Aren't they both amplifiers?
My ONKYO can push out 200-300 watts of power for speakers.

Would getting an headphone amp really improve that much in sound quality over home receivers? (like the HT-R500)

I'm just a little confused with amplifiers and receivers. I thought they're the same (provide power to driver speakers/headphones).

Thank you for your input.

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Aug 10, 2005 at 8:18 AM Post #2 of 7
A good solid Headphone amp is much much better than a headphone out. I had the Harman Kardon AVR-330 receiver and the headphone out is subpar compared to the GS1.
 
Aug 10, 2005 at 2:01 PM Post #3 of 7
This question (in one form or another) seems to come up a lot. The general concensus here is that a good headphone amplifier will be an improvement over the headphone jack of a receiver. How much of an improvement will depend upon a number of variables--such as, but not limited to--the quality of the receiver, the quality of the headphone amp, the headphones used, and the person listening to the equipment. Because there are so many models of receivers and so many models of headphone amplifiers, it is very unlikely that any individual will have compared a specific receiver with a specific headphone amplfier. Therefore, it becomes necessary to deal in generalities. It is possible that a receiver will have an outstanding headphone jack (though I personally believe this is less likely for AV receivers).

There are a number of reasons why this is so. I believe that it has do mostly with money. The majority of people who purchase an AV receiver are not making their decision based upon the quality of the sound out of the headphone jack--if they listen to it at all prior to their purchase. However, some purchasers want to have the feature and it may be useful in terms of marketing a unit, so it is included on some receivers. (I would say it is more of an afterthought than a primary design goal.) In contrast, a headphone amplifier's primary purpose is to amplify headphones, as opposed to speakers. Therefore, it is designed and optimized for the electrical characteristics of headphones. Headphones and loudspeakers are not the same things. So, an amplifier optimized for headphones does a better job of driving headphones, and an amplfier designed for speakers does a better job of driving speakers.

Is it possible to build a good headphone amplfier into a receiver? Certainly!
Why, then, isn't it done? Because the great majority of persons who buy an AV receiver don't care. Because the customers don't care, the companies who make receivers don't put much time, effort, or money into the headphone jack. However, they do include it on certain models for the customers who want to have this feature.

Is the headphone jack on your receiver any good? I don't have the slightest idea. It may very well be "good enough", especially if you don't use it a lot or don't listen critically. But, if the quality of the sound is important to you, if you listen through headphones for extended periods of time, or if you are a critical listener, then a dedicated headphone amplifier will probably improve the sound.
 
Aug 10, 2005 at 2:23 PM Post #4 of 7
the amp in a receiver is like a big old power amp pumped to blow the roof off of some heavy duty speakers. the headphone jack is an afterthought, usually tacked on with some resistors to get the impedance down to can level - it's like throttling a monster truck to haul some groceries, therefore giving you the headphone experience of a mismatched station wagon.

a dedicated headphone amp is designed just for headphones, and does everything in the designer's power to provide a pleasant signal to your cans. it's like driving by that frankenstein station wagon in a Ferrari.

Edit- but of course some receivers just have such a nice amp in there that the headphone out sounds good too. Like making a Rolls Royce into a station wagon to haul groceries.
 
Aug 10, 2005 at 11:34 PM Post #5 of 7
Receivers are underrated around here. My one sounds pretty good to me, but it depends on which headphone is used. I think you would need to spend at least $400 on a headamp before it starts to really beat a receiver's headphone jack. Of course this doesn't apply to all headamp/receiver headphone combos. The combination of devices is critical.
 
Aug 11, 2005 at 12:02 AM Post #6 of 7
Excellent thread, very educational...

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Aug 11, 2005 at 1:23 AM Post #7 of 7
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Originally Posted by sirnice

I'm just a little confused with amplifiers and receivers. I thought they're the same (provide power to driver speakers/headphone
onkyoHT-R500.JPG



amplifiers do provide power to speaker/headphones but thats all they do. A reciever is a preamp/processer +amp +tuner or integrated without the tuner.

Also headphones out are more common in consumer grade recievers .When you go into seperates headphone jacks is less common and you have to a buy seperate headphone amp anyways.I think this is because they are prioritizing speaker performance and if they were to put in a headphone jack that is less time spent on speaker performance and maybe if they put in a headphone jack that could lessen the performance of speaker because of less space for cappacitors , transistors and transformers etc . also as someone said most people in home audio with speakers do not care about headphone performance because they hardly use it anyways.In fact when I was shopping for a reciever or seperates around $4,000 I asked how the performance was for headphones(the ones that did have headphone jacks )and they they just looked at me like I was some kind of trader or a lower form of being.( alot of hifi shops are snobbish but not all)
 

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