Orthodynamic Roundup
Feb 28, 2011 at 3:19 AM Post #16,561 of 27,141


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It's only my guess, but I believe the Mylar NAD was primarily for the German market, so you may be in luck. Fingers crossed.
 


 
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Im putting my bet in now that these are Kapton :).
And wualta I cant remember for 100% certain but I think both my Kapton and Mylar pairs came from Germany.
 



But I guess even the bass heavy Kapton ones can be principally mastered by means of pad rolling and the usual damping routines, or are they regarded to be just for the bin? In the latter case, I'd try to prove the contrary anyway...
 
Feb 28, 2011 at 3:35 AM Post #16,562 of 27,141


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Im putting my bet in now that these are Kapton :).
And wualta I cant remember for 100% certain but I think both my Kapton and Mylar pairs came from Germany.
 


You guessing or is there any science to it ?
 
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But I guess even the bass heavy Kapton ones can be principally mastered by means of pad rolling and the usual damping routines, or are they regarded to be just for the bin? In the latter case, I'd try to prove the contrary anyway...

Having too much bass in stock form has never been an issue IME.
 
 
Feb 28, 2011 at 3:40 AM Post #16,563 of 27,141
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Thank you.
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Looking at your inventory, I would say I "needed" it also more desperately when taking profane usage into account. You needed it more desperately as collector though...
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If that Nad sounds like the pair I had the pleasure of listening to then it deserves some usage.
 
Feb 28, 2011 at 3:55 AM Post #16,564 of 27,141
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They do. They appear in the SFI orthos, the Eagle, and the ATH-2 with clones. Maybe I even forgot some ortho now.


eagle are the most efficient SFI's base ortho (better than ATH-1, ATH-2/VSH5/Sansui SS L-55 or Pro30), it's about 8 or 16ohm...
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I'm not so sure about the systematics, but I think I solved the problem of "no ball" and "cheap sound" I mourned about. The solution has a simple name: AKG K141 velours pads.
 

 
I glued them onto the stock pads by means of doublesided tape. That solved most of the things I had disliked, now the sound is warmer, airier and more relaxed, but I still enjoy its great speed factor. They are also much nicer to wear now. I prefer them to the HP2 right now and would put them into the same leage as my beloved T20v2 - at least in respect of my listening habits. The Fostex still has the edge in respect of mids presentation and sound "weight" (K271 sort), but the SS-L55 sounds more dynamical and has a more alive presence (Grado sort).
 
As I was at it, and as I have fallen in love with their 80's looks anyway, I granted them an old MS2 cable and T5P headband pads.
 

 

 


 
nice mod nickchen...
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you should try this K141 velour pads on you NAD, keep the stock spiral chords...
it's better than replace em with Grado cable for example, they just dont have good sinergy based on my experiment...

 
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I shot a NAD RP18
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, propably almost NOS, at german ebay yesterday. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300528186537&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT  For some reasons, that action was with a "no shipping abroad" passus, nevertheless the seller told me afterwards that he got flooded with inquiries from Indonesia and Poland to sell this thing offside the usual ebay routines, my luck that he didn't. My Ninjas said the final price of 208€ was reasonable. But after 4 vintage orthos in 3 months, my abandoned saves-for-LCD2-funds are completely spent now...
 
To say that I am thrilled is somewhat an understatement. I am so proud to possess one of the famous T50v1 clones soon. Heartly thanks to Whitney and Brian for their advice and encouraging!
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ahahahaaaaa, so you're the one who won that NAD from ebay.de...
nice find, hopefully they came in a good shape...
 
yes, a lot of my friend on local forum contact the seller too often...
you had stepped a head from all my friend here, since the seller always respond dont deliver abroad... lol
if you need any advice for damping, just ask...i'll share with you everything i know to tweak this bass monster...
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Mylar NADs? Are there different versions of the RP18? However, I've already started some investigations of sources & prices for W11 or O2 pads in case my pad bestiary doesn't contain something suitable.
 
@Rick: That is much better, I told you, just one short question would be to little to attract the attention of the ninjas...

 
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Two kinds of driver have been reported on NADs:
 
1) Kapton driver - These are bass heavy & reportedly have highly rolled treble.

 
2) Mylar Driver : Great balance even stock, rolled off only slightly at both ends. Nearly perfectly damped stock.


i have own the basslight a.k.a mylar one before, now mine are the bassheavy/kapton one...
first impression, i like the bassheavy more than the basslight one...
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soundwise, really similar to T50v0 in stock form..but darker, more bassy but faster...
 
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No, that one hasn't been opened up yet. Didn't want to mess the baffle seal.
The pics are courtesy Kabeer.


i had replace the blutak sealing on the baffle with foss auto sealer (silicon gasket'er for car engine)...
bring up the bass much more than blutak, try it...
dont worry, i use this methode on the basslight (my friend own it now) & my bassheavy NAD...
 
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The Once And Future Headphone.  
The Headphone They  Don't Want You To Hear.
The Headphone Technology That Got Away. Yep, I like that one. I hereby nominate yours as the Ortho thread's official catchphrase.

Oh yes. Just as gurubhai and Kabeer say. Remember, Foster Radio, aka Fostex, is possibly the demon OEM of Japan. They'll make anything, any way, for anybody. We should be surprised that there are only 2 known variants and should be keeping  a ninja-eye out for the third.
When I first posted about the 1978 North American market T50 back in 2004, little did I know that I'd be opening the biggest can of headphone worms evar. Fostex peppered the world with so many variations on this theme, it makes you wonder what possessed them to attempt to establish this headphone in the market, any market. We can only assume they were proud of what they'd accomplished. The T50 was a marketing failure, but the HE-5/6 and LCD-2 are vindications of the basic design.
It's only my guess, but I believe the Mylar NAD was primarily for the German market, so you may be in luck. Fingers crossed.
 
That's a good question. My first guess would have something to do with the placement of the natural resonant frequency of the diaphragm, giving the midrange a smooth bump in the "warmth" region, but I could be all wet. The thing to do would be to analyze your reaction to find exactly what about the Yama midrange appeals to you and what it is the other headphones lack.


Power handling specs are more art than science, but if the goal is to keep diaphragm failures to a minimum, increasing the sensitivity couldn't hurt. Then at least the headphones will be playing too loud for comfort when they reach their thermal danger zone.
 
And I say good luck to anyone embarking on the rough waters of the headphone market with a new orthodynamic.

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Im putting my bet in now that these are Kapton :).
And wualta I cant remember for 100% certain but I think both my Kapton and Mylar pairs came from Germany.
 


 
yup, it's definetely are a bassheavy...from the look of the spiral chords...
my bassheavy NAD use the same as those, my ex basslight use different vinyl straight cables...
cmiiw...
 
Feb 28, 2011 at 4:27 AM Post #16,565 of 27,141

 
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i had replace the blutak sealing on the baffle with foss auto sealer (silicon gasket'er for car engine)...
bring up the bass much more than blutak, try it...
dont worry, i use this methode on the basslight (my friend own it now) & my bassheavy NAD...
 
 
I use thin double sided foam tape for baffle sealing. No lack of bass here either.
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Even with W11 pads bass only rolls off below 30hz; with O2 pads, no roll off.

 
yup, it's definetely are a bassheavy...from the look of the spiral chords...
my bassheavy NAD use the same as those, my ex basslight use different vinyl straight cables...
cmiiw...
 
I thought the stock NAD only came with spiral cable. Kabeer had recabled his pairs with yamaha cables so that might be the reason you got straight cables.



 
Feb 28, 2011 at 4:44 AM Post #16,566 of 27,141


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Having too much bass in stock form has never been an issue IME.

 
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If that Nad sounds like the pair I had the pleasure of listening to then it deserves some usage

 
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if you need any advice for damping, just ask...i'll share with you everything i know to tweak this bass monster...
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i have own the basslight a.k.a mylar one before, now mine are the bassheavy/kapton one...
first impression, i like the bassheavy more than the basslight one...
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soundwise, really similar to T50v0 in stock form..but darker, more bassy but faster...
 
 
yup, it's definetely are a bassheavy...from the look of the spiral chords... my bassheavy NAD use the same as those, my ex basslight use different vinyl straight cables...
cmiiw...

 
I have been more on the confident side anyway, but guys, that were nevertheless the most pleasing (and reliefing) contributions I've read here for a while
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My special greetings to our friend from Indonesia! We remain as follows: No news are good news...
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Feb 28, 2011 at 5:38 AM Post #16,567 of 27,141

 
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I use thin double sided foam tape for baffle sealing. No lack of bass here either.
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Even with W11 pads bass only rolls off below 30hz; with O2 pads, no roll off.

 
hmm, i think you might want to hear the bassheavy/kapton one to know the differences...
i haven't use other pads than the stock one, Stax SR-X from kabeer and Sony DR-11 pads...
i still think i better use the stock one than the other two for how they look...
i have do a simple mod inside cup so now my NAD look original/stock but sound better than the "stock" mylar NAD i owned before...
no roll-off on the highs or low, even i haven't use the tapes family like transpore or micropore...
 
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gurubhai said:
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I thought the stock NAD only came with spiral cable. Kabeer had recabled his pairs with yamaha cables so that might be the reason you got straight cables.
 
what, seriously ? Yammy cables ?
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i always thought it's stock condition of the mylar NAD, except for missing a piece of mineral wools on both cups and the blutak sealing...
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thank's for the info then...
 
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ahaaa, the different are on the Y-splitter (i miss that before)...so i guess you're right, both version use spiral chords as stock cables...
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/111193/orthodynamic-roundup/14340#post_6652704

 
Feb 28, 2011 at 7:01 AM Post #16,569 of 27,141
Malaysia seems a steady demand! I recently sold my NOS Wharfedale Isos to Malaysia to a very happy guy. £190.....($340?).
Recent set of used ones went yesterday in UK for £127. demand going up?
Just waiting for a Matrix head amp to arrive to run MY (bought in 72!!) Isos from.
 
(Oh and those new Planars proposed look interesting!If you need a U.K. tester just shout!!)
 
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I shot a NAD RP18
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, propably almost NOS, at german ebay yesterday. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300528186537&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT  For some reasons, that action was with a "no shipping abroad" passus, nevertheless the seller told me afterwards that he got flooded with inquiries from Indonesia and Poland to sell this thing offside the usual ebay routines, my luck that he didn't. My Ninjas said the final price of 208€ was reasonable. But after 4 vintage orthos in 3 months, my abandoned saves-for-LCD2-funds are completely spent now...
 
To say that I am thrilled is somewhat an understatement. I am so proud to possess one of the famous T50v1 clones soon. Heartly thanks to Whitney and Brian for their advice and encouraging!
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Feb 28, 2011 at 9:38 AM Post #16,571 of 27,141
[size=x-small]^ Depends how patient/lucky you are. Some of them are over inflated certainly, but I got my HP-1 for under £50 and my (inferior) HP-50S for just a little more than that. I think they've been worth that only in the amount of fun I've had toying around with them.[/size]
 
[size=x-small]Considering the prices of modern phones and how ridiculous those are going (1k for a dynamic phone? Are they kidding) this doesn't seem over the top for me anyway.[/size]
 
Feb 28, 2011 at 11:06 AM Post #16,572 of 27,141


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There are nice vintage orthodynamics, but I am starting to think that people might expect too much from them, and also pay too much.


Possibly true. But I don't expect (and don't want) ultra high res & PRaT orgies of the HD800 or Stax sort, I chase best possible musicality and tiptoeing factor. And in that respect, the orthos I got to hear until now are doing damned well.
 
 
Feb 28, 2011 at 11:54 AM Post #16,573 of 27,141
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What we want to establish, if we can, is whether there's a correlation between the Mylar ones and flattish response and the Kapton ones and a grossly bass-tilty response [applies only to NAD RP18s if true]. So let's see what nickchen ends up with. The suspense... builds.

I am already 98% sure :p, iv experienced 4 NADs and the experience of others with the kapton nads too leads me to be nearllly sure.
 
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But I guess even the bass heavy Kapton ones can be principally mastered by means of pad rolling and the usual damping routines, or are they regarded to be just for the bin? In the latter case, I'd try to prove the contrary anyway...

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Originally Posted by nickchen /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I have been more on the confident side anyway, but guys, that were nevertheless the most pleasing (and reliefing) contributions I've read here for a while
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Nick, both are v.good imo. The kapton ones will require change of pads to make em sound good, the mylar are more like the T50v0.
 
 
Feb 28, 2011 at 4:24 PM Post #16,574 of 27,141
How many of these rare ortho headphones do you think are in the hands of collectors who don't listen to them?  I don't mean folks on this forum who are into sound, I mean people who aren't really that interested in their sound, but more just their rarity. 
 
Feb 28, 2011 at 6:46 PM Post #16,575 of 27,141

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But I guess even the bass heavy Kapton ones can be principally mastered by means of pad rolling and the usual damping routines, or are they regarded to be just for the bin? In the latter case, I'd try to prove the contrary anyway...

That's the spirit! Fight them in the earpads, fight them in the damping. Never bin, never surrender. Works for me.
 
 
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Originally Posted by nickchen /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I have been more on the confident side anyway, but guys, that were nevertheless the most pleasing (and reliefing) contributions I've read here for a while.

Your cry of NAD defiance has roused the troops! prepare for a bombardment of information and anecdote.

 
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There are nice vintage orthodynamics, but I am starting to think that people might expect too much from them, and also pay too much.

This is one of my longstanding fears, and it hasn't gone away. When you spend a lot, your expectations involuntarily go up. You can't help it. This can be death on a DIY project where the headphone has to dig itself out of a hole of disappointment.


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I am already 98% sure :p, iv experienced 4 NADs and the experience of others with the kapton nads too leads me to be nearllly sure.

Excellent. You have more NADsperience than any known OrthoNinja, so we'll rest on your good word. 
 
I still hope he gets one of the Mylar ones.
 
"It's a Mylar diaphragm!" "It's a Kapton diaphragm!" "Stop! you're both right! The NAD RP18 is two! >smek< two! >smek< two headphones in one!
 

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