There's a T51p already (successor of the T50p). I got to listen to it when buying DT 1350. IIRC, it's not neutral, more base, more aggressive, more fun. Less clamping force and it feels like you're almost not wearing anything. The pads are also softer and more comfortable. I'm not sure whether...

yeah that seems to be the case. the only way you can determine if the straight cable version is the facelift is to open the box and look at the headband. If it's covered in black (you can't see the metal in the headband) then it's the facelift version. honestly though, the coiled version is...

hmm. Facelift has black headband and pre-facelift has the metal. I thought it was the color of the logo.

thanks a lot!

Hi I'm potatoqueue! I've just been into serious audio the beginning of this month ever since my Apple Earpods died and I'm tired of these pieces of **** dying every 3 months. I've done a lot of reading about headphones ever since. Anyway, my question is how do you differentiate between...

hmm. How do you distinguish between pre-facelift vs facelift versions? Can you tell from the box?