The problem is this product makes not just product claims, but underlying scientific claims. If a prophylactic  cure for cancer came out, I'm not going to watch a two hour video about it to see if I might be convinced to take the pills.  I'm going to wait for a proper article reviewed by...

  Personally, I'll finish reading the article, probably soon.  I won't buy them, but I really use only very cheap iems, just for convenience, and not much for music even at that.  I have thought of getting some good ones for air travel sometime though.

 Well I may have mis-interpreted some sentence, but I think we exactly agree on that.

But now I've read a little more of it again.  Yep, definitely a proceedings article.  The way they just drop in the "preliminary" data on page 8 with no description of how it was taken, and then the article just ends.    No indication of the number of data points, blindness etc. The "conclusion"...

Hi Brooko.   I have seen it.  I haven't read all of it yet.  Page 7 does seem to imply that in the end, what they have is an iem with a reduced bass response.  Some hole somewhere might be a way to get that.  Do no other iems have weak bass though?  I still think they're spinning words here a...

Castle I agree.  There is a gap though between useful "this is a great headphone with a sound signature and clarity for enjoyable listening at low volume" and a sales pitch about wiz-bang ear saving tech to hype the price a little more.  Where in the spectrum this falls is not clear.

WCD, I think you are interpretting "pnematic" to mean "constant", "static" or at least very slowly changing?  I don't think it's even clear that everyone means this.  Some just seem to think that the "direct" pushing of the speaker on the ear drum by way of the air in the enclosed space, at a...

  from http://american-hearing.org/disorders/noise-induced-hearing-loss/   "An example of a noise induced hearing loss is shown in Figure 1. There is a “notch” at 3000 Hz, with better hearing at both lower and higher frequencies. When noise is too loud, it begins to kill cells in the inner...

  Come on G.  Of course it correlates.  I know you didn't really mean that. You mean it's not a direct correlation.  Sure frequency and hearing damage alter it.  For a given ear, at a particular frequency, I'd say it's a direct correlation.  There is another thing that I argued about earlier...

Brooko. You seem way more emotional about it all than you claim me to be. Nobody called you and idiot. I haven't moved the bar as you say and I haven't even made nearly as many posts as you seem to imply (two, in sequence actually before you started attacking me, no more other than a couple many...

  I don't think you get how conference proceedings work. Yes, they're published by big name organizations.  No they're almost never held to  nearly as high a standard as regular submissions.   There could be exceptions in some conference in some field, but it would be an exception.  And the NSF...

And I'd still like to see the papers that are not conference proceedings. I can't see why this work would only be published in conference proceedings.

  I can certainly respect this reply. The point about not noticing sub-bass sounds like much more grounded way of looking at things to me, than trying to make funny linguistic distinctions about "pneumatic" or "sound" pressure. Sure, huge volume 10 hz could do something bad. Do you need some...

  In other words... the iem can maybe more efficiently transfer pressure to the ear drums at low frequency than some other speaker.  That pressure is called VOLUME. So what?  We're saying iem's are efficient? (duh) bass heavy?(depends on the iem I guess)  We're saying they're  too loud?  You...

From the Montreal conference proceedings:  "From the 1960s to the present, Stephen D. Ambrose has been investigating..." "... the fact that he was both an engineer and a vocal performer gave him a unique grasp of the full range of drawbacks..."   It's a little unusual to build ethos and refer...