[Smirk 24]

Hi, I would like to share a little more of my impressions of the two Pilgrims.

I think it is easier to explain with the aid of this FR graph I posted elsewhere:

Orange: Pilgrim:Noir aligned with the Pilgrim OG with reference to the treble region
Cyan: Pilgrim OG's FR with 1k set to 0dB
Purple: Pilgrim:Noir's FR with 1k set to 0db

__________________________________________________________________________________	Pilgrim: Noir	Pilgrim OG
Treble	With reference to the Orange and Cyan FR graphs, the amount of treble at first glance depends on the playback volume and they maybe seen equal. However, the treble air is actually not reflected by these graphs and it sounds to my ear that the Noir is crossed with a low pass filter with a higher capacitance thus giving a earlier cut in the treble. IMO this earlier cut (lower corner frequency) gives less air and height to the sound in exchange for a more realistic sound. The vocal is allowed to give a lusher, smoother and denser reproduction.	Again, since it cannot be reflected on the graph, the treble air of the OG sounds to my ears that it is cut relatively later than the Noir (higher corner frequency) thus giving more air. Probably due to the lesser number of drivers and more air, the OG has a less dense presentation and a slightly taller stage and outwards extended reach. However, this can give the sound a bit of artificial colouring and steals a bit of the focus from the core of the vocal sound and having a stronger focus in the air of the vocal speech.
Mids	At the same comfy loudness, the Noir has more mids and a smaller difference in dB relatively to the treble compared to the OG which gives the sound a fuller and smoother presentation as the treble has a stronger mid support. The mids are tuned quite adequately and the sound is not anywhere muddy but soulful.	Since there is a larger loudness difference between the treble and the mids region, the precepted amount of mids is less here compared to the Noir. This allows more breathing room for the frequencies and the treble takes over in the mix giving a faster, snappier and more spacious presentation overall.
Bass	Again, the bass at the same comfy loudness, has a higher dB compared to the OG. Although it is clear that the bass region between the NOIR and OG are essentially the same, the Noir's bass is not only louder but also a little thicker and ever so slightly less snappy due to having less air and less gain in the treble. The bass gets a lot of punch without ever bleeding in the mids.	As mentioned, the bass is ever so slightly thinner and snappier here the OG's treble being more airy and louder. In terms of texture they are almost identical but the OG can be precepted as having less bass due to the different balance between the treble and the bass (and mids).
Stage and Technicalities	The stage is fairly wide but this is tune darker and blacker but slightly not as tall as the OG. The background is blacker than the OG and allows the listener to focus more on the main macro side of the mix, despite sharing a very similar technicalities as the OG, which both give a good amount of detail. One thing I forgot to mention here is the expansiveness of the stage. Since you can get the Noir to play louder than the Pilgrim OG without fatigue, you can get the bass and mids to kick in and expand the stage wider, totally blurring the edge of the stage.	The stage is slightly wider (or almost identical) and taller than the Noir at the same playback volume. With more air and treble present and less mids, there is more space between notes. Again, it is fairly similar to the Noir in terms of technicality but there is a stronger focus in the air or the upper treble region of the spectrum so giving it a slightly more revealing sense. And to give a better balance between the treble and bass, I find the OG to sound best at higher gain. However, since the Noir can be pushed harder, the stage is ultimately smaller here.
Stock Cable and tips	The stock cable is a variant of the Eros S and it's called the Eros S: Noir. The ES Noir has very good bass and treble response without sounding too bright. In terms of speed I find it to be faster than the original Eros S and Eros S 1st AE which allows the upper mid to sound fast enough, removing any sense of sluggishness. A very good pairing with the Pilgrim Noir IMHO. As a review unit it didn't come with any tips but the Spinfit tips included with the OG are very good for the Noir. I also like Bamboo tips and TRN T Tips.	The stock cable is fairly bright but also has a good bass response. The sound is straightforward (which I actually prefer) and revealing. It allows the OG to have a good amount of space between notes but can get a bit hot in the treble sometimes. The stock Spinfit tips still make the sound a little hot and I am still trying out other tips but TRN T tips are pretty good here which tames the treble a bit and also giving a more defined stage shape.
Design	The NOIR is good looking and I like the all black and sand blasted colour scheme which is not prone to any scratches and fingerprints. The Pen Ear connector is sort of new to me and I kinda like it TBH. With all these ConX equipped cables available, it's a joy to do cable rolling.	The OG is shiny but the partial mirror finishing is a bit prone to scratches and fingerprints. It can reflect an interesting spiral totem if you have the faceplate pointing at a surface at an angle, lol. Again, the Pen Ear connector is very welcoming.
Mini Conclusion	Personally I prefer the tuning of the NOIR over the OG but they are both pretty good. The NOIR has a more realistic timbre and blacker background and also more precepted bass. The denser mids IMO makes it slightly cable picky and the mids can get too much and slower in speed resulting occasional sluggishness with some cables but the Eros S Noir is a very good match for it already. Moreover, the Noir allows a higher playback volume to allow the bass and mids to kick in to expand the stage and TBH this is the kind of sound signature I always prefer.	The OG is the brighter brother of the Noir and can get a little hot sometimes. However it is more airy and can be more beneficial listening to instruments and vocal with a lower voice to enhance the separation by giving more air to the mix.

More impressions with other cables and possibly tips later! Cheers!

Hey nice impressions! What coupler did you use for your measurements btw?

 

[sunnyslhf]

Term X can give you a simple solution to connect your iPhone when you don’t want to bring your DAP

 

[saldsald]

Hey nice impressions! What coupler did you use for your measurements btw?

Thanks. Mine is a 60318-4:2010 coupler. Just a very common budget friendly one.

 

[atechreviews]

Hi, I would like to share a little more of my impressions of the two Pilgrims.

I think it is easier to explain with the aid of this FR graph I posted elsewhere:

Orange: Pilgrim:Noir aligned with the Pilgrim OG with reference to the treble region
Cyan: Pilgrim OG's FR with 1k set to 0dB
Purple: Pilgrim:Noir's FR with 1k set to 0db

__________________________________________________________________________________	Pilgrim: Noir	Pilgrim OG
Treble	With reference to the Orange and Cyan FR graphs, the amount of treble at first glance depends on the playback volume and they maybe seen equal. However, the treble air is actually not reflected by these graphs and it sounds to my ear that the Noir is crossed with a low pass filter with a higher capacitance thus giving a earlier cut in the treble. IMO this earlier cut (lower corner frequency) gives less air and height to the sound in exchange for a more realistic sound. The vocal is allowed to give a lusher, smoother and denser reproduction.	Again, since it cannot be reflected on the graph, the treble air of the OG sounds to my ears that it is cut relatively later than the Noir (higher corner frequency) thus giving more air. Probably due to the lesser number of drivers and more air, the OG has a less dense presentation and a slightly taller stage and outwards extended reach. However, this can give the sound a bit of artificial colouring and steals a bit of the focus from the core of the vocal sound and having a stronger focus in the air of the vocal speech.
Mids	At the same comfy loudness, the Noir has more mids and a smaller difference in dB relatively to the treble compared to the OG which gives the sound a fuller and smoother presentation as the treble has a stronger mid support. The mids are tuned quite adequately and the sound is not anywhere muddy but soulful.	Since there is a larger loudness difference between the treble and the mids region, the precepted amount of mids is less here compared to the Noir. This allows more breathing room for the frequencies and the treble takes over in the mix giving a faster, snappier and more spacious presentation overall.
Bass	Again, the bass at the same comfy loudness, has a higher dB compared to the OG. Although it is clear that the bass region between the NOIR and OG are essentially the same, the Noir's bass is not only louder but also a little thicker and ever so slightly less snappy due to having less air and less gain in the treble. The bass gets a lot of punch without ever bleeding in the mids.	As mentioned, the bass is ever so slightly thinner and snappier here the OG's treble being more airy and louder. In terms of texture they are almost identical but the OG can be precepted as having less bass due to the different balance between the treble and the bass (and mids).
Stage and Technicalities	The stage is fairly wide but this is tune darker and blacker but slightly not as tall as the OG. The background is blacker than the OG and allows the listener to focus more on the main macro side of the mix, despite sharing a very similar technicalities as the OG, which both give a good amount of detail. One thing I forgot to mention here is the expansiveness of the stage. Since you can get the Noir to play louder than the Pilgrim OG without fatigue, you can get the bass and mids to kick in and expand the stage wider, totally blurring the edge of the stage.	The stage is slightly wider (or almost identical) and taller than the Noir at the same playback volume. With more air and treble present and less mids, there is more space between notes. Again, it is fairly similar to the Noir in terms of technicality but there is a stronger focus in the air or the upper treble region of the spectrum so giving it a slightly more revealing sense. And to give a better balance between the treble and bass, I find the OG to sound best at higher gain. However, since the Noir can be pushed harder, the stage is ultimately smaller here.
Stock Cable and tips	The stock cable is a variant of the Eros S and it's called the Eros S: Noir. The ES Noir has very good bass and treble response without sounding too bright. In terms of speed I find it to be faster than the original Eros S and Eros S 1st AE which allows the upper mid to sound fast enough, removing any sense of sluggishness. A very good pairing with the Pilgrim Noir IMHO. As a review unit it didn't come with any tips but the Spinfit tips included with the OG are very good for the Noir. I also like Bamboo tips and TRN T Tips.	The stock cable is fairly bright but also has a good bass response. The sound is straightforward (which I actually prefer) and revealing. It allows the OG to have a good amount of space between notes but can get a bit hot in the treble sometimes. The stock Spinfit tips still make the sound a little hot and I am still trying out other tips but TRN T tips are pretty good here which tames the treble a bit and also giving a more defined stage shape.
Design	The NOIR is good looking and I like the all black and sand blasted colour scheme which is not prone to any scratches and fingerprints. The Pen Ear connector is sort of new to me and I kinda like it TBH. With all these ConX equipped cables available, it's a joy to do cable rolling.	The OG is shiny but the partial mirror finishing is a bit prone to scratches and fingerprints. It can reflect an interesting spiral totem if you have the faceplate pointing at a surface at an angle, lol. Again, the Pen Ear connector is very welcoming.
Mini Conclusion	Personally I prefer the tuning of the NOIR over the OG but they are both pretty good. The NOIR has a more realistic timbre and blacker background and also more precepted bass. The denser mids IMO makes it slightly cable picky and the mids can get too much and slower in speed resulting occasional sluggishness with some cables but the Eros S Noir is a very good match for it already. Moreover, the Noir allows a higher playback volume to allow the bass and mids to kick in to expand the stage and TBH this is the kind of sound signature I always prefer.	The OG is the brighter brother of the Noir and can get a little hot sometimes. However it is more airy and can be more beneficial listening to instruments and vocal with a lower voice to enhance the separation by giving more air to the mix.

More impressions with other cables and possibly tips later! Cheers!

Thanks a lot for sharing your very comprehensive and useful impressions

 

[GiullianSN]

Hello Guys!!

I just posted my impressions on the Pilgrim OG on the Pilgrim Thread. If you're curious, go have a look.

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/elysian-pilgrim.972568/post-18147176

I'm working on the Pilgrim:Noir and a full comparison between both, Crimson, FatTfreq Maestro Mini and Scarlet Mini. Coming soon.

 

[Deferenz]

Cross post from the Pilgrim thread:

Thanks to @JordonEA and HiFiGo for sending me the Elysian Pilgrim to listen to.

Priced at $399 I believe this is Elysian’s first move into the entry level of IEMs. I own the Annihilator 2023 and I’ve had a bit of time with both the X and the Diva and so I have some familiarity with the type of sound that Lee at Elysian goes for. I was intrigued then to hear something at a more entry level price from him.

I’ve been listening to the Pilgrim now for a good few hours. I let it play before hand for a few days before jumping in. I was using the 3.5mm stock cable and my source was the SP3000 using Tidal masters. I didn’t use the included tips with these but instead went with the SednaEarfit Lights. These proved a good match for my ears. First thing I noticed was that I had to put the volume up on the SP3000 to 62. I don’t normally have to go past 50 for harder to drive IEMs but these seemed to need just a bit more. Not a problem as this didn’t affect anything, more an observation.

Straight to the sound, and immediately I can hear some impressive separation on the soundstage. The stage appears to have a fair width on it to. On a number of songs I listened to there was a holographic feel to the sound. I could certainly picture myself standing in the middle of everything and indeed floating around the singer and musicians. There is good clarity and detail, and the whole sound coming at me is very clean and crisp. I couldn’t detect any background noise albeit the SP3000 has a very good black background anyway.

The highs/treble on these are very good and I was quite impressed. As I mentioned I have the older sibling the Annihilator 2023, which kind of sets the bar on treble. I would say that the treble on the Pilgrim OG veers towards going for that same feel. I’m not saying it’s at the same level but perhaps a more mini version of it. That’s my personal take on it anyway.

I can see reading the threads that a lot of people are worried that the treble is too bright or too brittle. Now I’m someone who is quite sensitive to high treble, and I’ve had a lot of trouble listening to IEMs that had a treble focus in some way or another. Lee at Elysian though has a way of tuning the treble on his IEMs to make them exquisite without any harshness to them. I feel he has looked to do exactly that with the Pilgrim too, relevant to its price point of course. I personally do not find these harsh or too bright to listen to. Now of course we need to factor in that we all hear things differently. What we hear can depend on a number of things and so my take on what is bright might not be similar for everyone. I would go amiss if I didn’t say there was some brightness to the sound but for someone who has issues in this area I was actually fine with the Pilgrim.

The mids is where I find a bit of air around the instruments and vocals. It depends on the quality of the track of course, but I always like to test this area out with a bit of classic Rock or guitar based music. I’m generally looking for how everything fits together on the soundstage and how that translates to the sound I’m hearing. Clarity and detail are present and are impressive; the presentation is lively and enjoyable. Guitars on the Pilgrim sound rather divine. This is for both electric and acoustic. Electric guitars have that necessary crunch, and acoustic guitars have that clean pick of the strings (the guitar work on Nils Lofgren’s ‘Keith Don’t Go’ is pretty amazing). Drums hit well and each hit of the drum feels well defined. Vocals come across well for both male and female. I did a few tests to see if vocals got a bit harsh as they moved up into the highs, but I didn’t have any issues. I would say that vocals are positioned slightly forward on the soundstage.

For the bass I would say that sub bass has much more prominence than mid bass. I tried it out with some ‘drum n bass’ music and the Pilgrim certainly digs deep to give you that dump of bass rumble that’s needed for that genre. Mid bass can thump well and it’s certainly there if a track calls for it. There is no bass presence though if there is none in the music and so there is not the added fullness or enveloping feel that you can get with other more bass centric sets. Trying the Pilgrim with some hip-hop and EDM showed me that it can certainly provide some good bass presence to let you enjoy the track. I would say though that I think the sub bass is the more stand out area.

I must confess that I do not have much experience with entry level or mid-fi IEMs. But I have to say that I am very impressed with the Pilgrim and what you get for $399. I am well aware of what Elysian can do and so I think their entry into this area of the market is quite something. Overall, I do actually enjoy this IEM and for $399 I think you are actually getting quite a lot for your money.

 

[Pelilin]

Hi guys. Recently i purchase another EA cable C24. I bought the termx version is there a lot of difference in sound improvement with the pentaconn? I wonder if i made a mistake by choosing the termx for sound quality.

 

[EffectAudio]

Hi guys. Recently i purchase another EA cable C24. I bought the termx version is there a lot of difference in sound improvement with the pentaconn? I wonder if i made a mistake by choosing the termx for sound quality.

Hey there! The Pentaconn ofc 4.4mm offers smoother mids but it does not come with the TermX interchangeable function.