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@heliosphann thanks a lot for the utopia comparison. I bought the utopia a month ago to upgrade from the hd800-s. While I did like it I kept missing the sound stage of the 800s. Maybe the verite is that sweet spot in between I'm looking for
 
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@heliosphann thanks a lot for the utopia comparison. I bought the utopia a month ago to upgrade from the hd800-s. While I did like it I kept missing the sound stage of the 800s. Maybe the verite is that sweet spot in between I'm looking for
I would say the auteur is the sweet spot between these 2.
 
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I would say the auteur is the sweet spot between these 2.
Having heard all three (HD800/Auteur/Utopia) I have to agree with this, except Auteur won’t sound quite as fast as Utopia (probably no dynamic would), and I haven’t yet heard the Verite, albeit reports that suggests it’s ‘darker’ than Auteur would mean it doesn’t exactly align with the neutra/lbright of neutral presentation of the HD800 and Utopia (whereas the Auteur is fairly close to neutral).
 
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Having heard all three (HD800/Auteur/Utopia) I have to agree with this, except Auteur won’t sound quite as fast as Utopia (probably no dynamic would), and I haven’t yet heard the Verite, albeit reports that suggests it’s ‘darker’ than Auteur would mean it doesn’t exactly align with the neutra/lbright of neutral presentation of the HD800 and Utopia (whereas the Auteur is fairly close to neutral).
Yeah, the HD800 won't be able to match Utopia speed too. But they are all rather similar and each has its own strengths. Auteur would fit the middle just nicely.
 
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@heliosphann has the Verite in pheasant which weighs around 475g where-as the silk version will be around 420g or less depending on grille material. I'm not sure what Utopia weighs but possibly somewhere in the middle of all that.
 
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@heliosphann has the Verite in pheasant which weighs around 475g where-as the silk version will be around 420g or less depending on grille material. I'm not sure what Utopia weighs but possibly somewhere in the middle of all that.
Utopia is 490g Zach :wink:
 
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Huh, it felt like the Utopia was noticeably lighter than the Phesantwood Verite. Could be just the distribution though. I'll weigh both tonight when I get home.
 
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The weight of the Verite will vary a bit based on steel or black aluminum grille - the steel or brass adds about 30 to 50g from aluminum. I'll get the weight of each listed specifically next week as we start production with all metal parts in.

All cups are done and being sanded and finished now so we can ship as many before the new year as possible, same goes for aeolus!
 
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The weight of the Verite will vary a bit based on steel or black aluminum grille - the steel or brass adds about 30 to 50g from aluminum. I'll get the weight of each listed specifically next week as we start production with all metal parts in.

All cups are done and being sanded and finished now so we can ship as many before the new year as possible, same goes for aeolus!
So is aluminum the lightest and "all black" option?
 
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Huh, it felt like the Utopia was noticeably lighter than the Phesantwood Verite. Could be just the distribution though. I'll weigh both tonight when I get home.
So I stand corrected. It must be the way the Utopia's weight is distributed. The Phesantwood Verite's come in at 486g and the Utopia comes in at 495g. Neither bother me with their weight (as well as my 633g Auteur Blackwoods!), but I think the suspension system on the Verite makes them more comfortable for longer sessions.
 
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Oooh, so you are saying all of the cups for the pre-ordered are done and you believe some will ship out before the end of the year? For some reason I was thinking Q1 2019, not something in the next few weeks.... :)
 
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Oooh, so you are saying all of the cups for the pre-ordered are done and you believe some will ship out before the end of the year? For some reason I was thinking Q1 2019, not something in the next few weeks.... :)
I imagine half would get it before year end, the other half in Jan.
 
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Verite vs Utopia comparison:

Myself and many others have been curious to compare these two flagship headphones that integrate Beryllium into their drivers. While the Utopia’s driver is made entirely from Be, the Verite’s driver is a Be coated PEN driver. Zach choose to used a coated Be driver vs a full Be driver because it retained much of the speed, while not having the harshness that's attributed to most metal drivers. After doing some A/B comparing of both, I feel that these two headphones don’t share much in common besides the Be in their drivers. Even more so, these two headphones should mostly likely appeal to completely different listeners. While I feel the Utopia still wins out in several technical aspects, the Verite retains most of the trademark Be speed and comes across as far more musical and listenable. Here are a few more specific differences between them:

Verite: More weighty sound, with the low end having more quantity and slam. Tonally smoother, especially in the upper frequencies. Wider soundstage. More forgiving on poorly recorded source material. Overall more musical sounding and not as fatiguing. Gorgeous wood cups. Made in the USA by Zach and his cronies.

Utopia: Slightly faster and overall more technical sounding. Not as colored throughout the FR. Marginally better macro/micro details. Much more upper extension and overall more airy sounding. Better instrument separation. No pretty wood cups. Lighter, but not necessarily more comfortable. Made by some guy in a beret with baguette crumbs on his shirt.


Verite pad rolling:
The Verite pads are definitely my preference when listening to the Verite. Compared to the Universe pads, they have a little more sparkle and energy that lines up with my taste and gear. They also slightly change the staging due to their depth, which I also slightly prefer. The Universe pads provide an overall more laid back, smoother sound. It’s not surprising that people are split between the two, as I could easily see using either or depending on your chain, preferences, etc…

I also took a little time and rolled a few other ZMF pads I had on the Verite. The perforated Eikon pads amp up the low end and take the bass slam to new levels, but they also introduce a plethora of issues into the FR. The depth of the pads also radically change up the staging. The perforated Auteur pads actually sound pretty good, adding a little more air and balancing out the signature somewhat. I wasn’t able to spent much time with this combo, but I will try to revisit if possible.
Thanks for the review.... the Verite is similar to how I imagine it sounds compared to your review, an Utopia mixing with Auteur and Verite is somewhere in between

Also can I ask has the Verite got the same/similar dynamics and attack compared to Utopia?
 
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Hd800S vs the Vertie any compairisons? Worth the extra cash for the vertie?
 
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