(yet another) JMT Altoids Amp Review

Mar 10, 2002 at 5:55 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 15

carlo

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just to get a few things out of the way: Jon is a great guy who was very patient with some problems that came up along the way (long story). i'm also typing without regard to spelling and proper capitalization, so try to forgive me. i've been using the amp for around two weeks, had it for about three, with the following equipment:

Headphones:
Grado SR225, SR60, and (for a couple of days) SR125
Sennheiser HD580

Sources:
(portable)
Sony D-E220
Soundesign 4925
<background info>
production date according to the sticker is july 1990, huge and cumbersome, long TOC recognition and uses 6 AA batteries. but it also has a line out and has a certain old school charm to it. sounds much better than the sony in my opinion. i was lucky enough to find it in my parents' garage a week ago.
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(home, all through a Monster HTS2500 plugged into an Eagle outlet)
AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000, see profile for various tweaks/mods.
Arcam Alpha 9, see profile for tweaks.
nOhr CD-1 (stock tubes) on audition.

Amps used for reference:
Anthem Pre-1L tube/ss (mods, see profile) hybrid headphone jack
MG Head DT (stock tubes)

cabling:
Radioshack Gold Series (6 ft?) male to male jack for portable use.
Monster Interlink headphone to RCAs (note: these cables claim to be directional and i used them the wrong way... i'm comfortable with that).

batteries are Duracell M3 Ultra.

i initially wanted to hold off for about a month before sharing my impressions, but believe it or not i've heard the little CMOY for at least a few hours through all of the above equipment. i'm on my second (!) battery now; i really need more supervision at work. i also stupidly bent the stylus on my cartridge (just after selling my backup), so not only am i bitter but no vinyl for this review. anyway, i've logged countless hours on the amp and have a free saturday night so...

build quality is great, nice clean layout and coolness to spare (got the nifty wintergreen altoids tin). JMT was kind enough to optimize the circuit for Grado SR125s (which i was planning on buying at the time of the order). my unit now has quite a few dings, dents, scratches, and a loose volume knob from all the use i've put it through (as well as spending a lot of time in my backpack and pocket). of course this is absolutely not a knock against Jon, who used the altoids tin at my request, but when i get around to building one i plan on using a heftier case.

on to the sound:

obviously, i find the sound of this thing addicting. clear sound from top to bottom, foot tapping grooviness, and (once again) it's just great to look at. through the grado sr225s, my preferred 'phones, i listen for hours without any sense of fatigue. the amp does justice to rock and roll, showing off the grado's delightful midrange and warmth. comparing my portable unit's ouput to that of the CMOY would be a waste of space: the latter more air, more body, yadda yadda.

what should be noted is that for the first time i can hear the differences between burned and original CDs away from a dedicated home setup. i usually burn copies for listening on the go using an ancient pentium II based computer and a cheap cd writer at 12x speed using feurio (http://feurio.com) to transmit bits on the fly... certainly not the best conditions. while on my (admittedly non-hirez but revealing) home setup there's a flatness with cdr's*, but quite honesty i've never heard a difference in either my car or sony portable. with the cmoy, cdrs using the above method sound granier and harsher than their originals.

more interestingly, the CMOY has quite a different character than the Anthem's head amp. the former sounds much more linear on the top end, with a crispness on treble and quickness with transients. drum and cymbal work on the strokes' is this it? was headbobbingly good, and while lacking the texture of the anthem's sound, had my foot taping and fingers snapping. yes, literally. "texture" being the fullness of a kick drum (the velvet underground's "peel here" remastering of loaded is one of my reference recordings for this very subject) and the decay of a cymbal ringing in space. acoustic guitar goes to the anthem, but not by much. at lower listening levels the CMOY holds it's character while the Pre1L collapses and smears a bit. the addage of equal but not the same applies; the anthem certainly adds a touch of bloat to the lower midrange and sweetens the highs (which imo sounds more realistic on acoustic material), while the CMOY could be called "accurate."

through the Sennheiser HD580s, some of the weaknesses of the amp become aparent. the little portable has more than enough power to drive them to satisfying levels (i'm listening with this very setup right now with the volume level at about 1/3 or 1/4 of full bore), however, the overall sound is lean, giving the impression of too much energy from lower treble on up. bass lines, while quick, don't extend to anything resembling the lower octaves, nor does it have the weight to be musical in my opinion. listening to, say, early bob dylan is satisfactory. listening to later radiohead isn't. no, i'm not a bass freak, but without a solid foundation the amp sounds, quite honestly, sharp and stringent. a noticable amount of grain is evident through all of my sources (although less so with the home players). an obvious possibility is, of course, that Jon had the SR125 in mind when setting gain (i'm not aware if he does any other mods for Sennheiser users).

i will say this: the CMOY is much quieter without a signal than the MG Head DT (i get a small bit of transformer hum from the DT, but it's forgetable at normal listening levels). what the CMOY isn't is more transparent... compared with the Head the various home cd players sound different, but not as different, if you catch my drift. in this regard Jon's amp is the equal of the Anthem, which is saying something, but not much.

i'm lucky enough to own two good pairs of headphones and amplifiers that drive them well. i make no secret to friends and collegues that i prefer the Grado sound (via my Anthem) to Sennheiser's linearity (via the Head DT)... with Jon's CMOY i gotta say that my SR125s have more of what i like about my HD580s. i lack the ability to clarify that further, but i hope that makes sense to you as the reader. is this cool little design in the altoids tin reference quality? sure, but what the hell do i know? i've bought every headphone amp i've tried. what i can say is this: the sound i'm presently getting through this thing has me exploring different cabling options from markertek, as well as diy options. a bargain? in my humble opinion, definitely.

best,
carlo.

*re: cdr info above - using EAC and burning at 2x or 4x speed (once again, with feurio) leads to copies that, to my ears, are indiscernable from the original.
 
Mar 10, 2002 at 12:41 PM Post #2 of 15
Carlo

Very nice and very interesting review. I may be interested in a JMT amp in the future, but with wall wart instead of battery power(I have a Porta Corda on the way).

How long did you have to wait for the amp?
 
Mar 10, 2002 at 1:03 PM Post #3 of 15
JMT's amps are incredibly good, especially if you have him tweak it to your taste (which isn't easy, requires lot's of sending back and forth). I have 3 amps from him now, and all three sound quite different from each other. The one that I particularly concentrated on revamping to be my main amp sounds incredibly good now, and takes the best from the other two amps and puts them together...it sounds so good that I don't miss having a bigger amp around at all. If there's any amp that I've particularly been happy with out there and would NOT sell off no matter what, it's JMT's. Of course, none of this would have been possible without JMT's gracious willingness to accept these amps back over and over again for modding. The funny thing being I may yet send back this same amp for some more modding (soooooooorry Jon
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Mar 10, 2002 at 3:44 PM Post #4 of 15
Great review, Carlos......thank you.
I feel the same way you do about JMT-built amps. As a matter of fact, even with my stash of higher end headphone amps, I actually prefer the sound of the Grado HP-1s when hooked up to the JMT Penguin. This little marvel of an amp provides just the right mix of dynamics and smoothness that makes the HP-1s really sing. I love it. Actually, I love all 6 of my JMT-built amps! Thanks again for the review.
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BTW, nice avatar. The greatest songwriter of the 20th century!
 
Mar 10, 2002 at 8:25 PM Post #5 of 15
disclaimer to review above: on the last paragraph "my SR125s" should be "my SR225s" (typos are fun). a buddy also emailed me a pic he took of my soundesign cd player, hd580s w/ stock cord, and the altoids amp... anybody want to tell me how to post it?

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oldguy:How long did you have to wait for the amp?


oldguy,

i believe that's dependant on Jon's waiting list.

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Vertigo-1:especially if you have him tweak it to your taste... I have 3 amps from him now, and all three sound quite different from each other. The one that I particularly concentrated on revamping to be my main amp sounds incredibly good now, and takes the best from the other two amps and puts them together...


Vertigo-1,

now that's customer support! Jon strikes me as an incredibly nice guy, and the fact that he knows this circuit that well (and is so accomidating) is a credit to him. it should be noted that he and i never discussed sound characteristics, and the only criteria for the amp in the above review was that it drive grado sr125s.

i also bought 3 boards from Jon, and from what i've read at the diy section here hope to get tips on how to optimise component selection to suit my tastes.

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joelongwood:


As a matter of fact, even with my stash of higher end headphone amps, I actually prefer the sound of the Grado HP-1s when hooked up to the JMT Penguin. This little marvel of an amp provides just the right mix of dynamics and smoothness ...[/quote]

joelongwood,
i'm not sure yet if i prefer the sound of the modded Anthem Pre1L amp or the jmt one, but i think that's a tribute to Jon and the original (CMOY?) designer. i failed to note it in my review, but even driving the inexpensive SR60s i get a sound i can easily live with while out of the house.

george harrison fan huh? now all me need to do is find a guy who really digs petty and orbison and we could have a little head-fi tribute to the travelling wilburys. who was their drummer anyway?

best to all,
carlo.
 
Mar 14, 2002 at 11:17 AM Post #7 of 15
update:

a collegue built a short (maybe 10 inches without termination) mini to mini cable using homegrown silver lace wire (4 wire braid) and canare connectors for me... the improvement compared to the radioshack gold cables is startling. the grain heard with the sennheisers has diminished greatly, although still audible. the sense of leanness hasn't gone away but bass lines do sound better rounded yet also faster. upper frequency extension is much improved both extension and linearity wise. however, the (with grado in mind) cmoy still doesn't do it for me with the sennheisers.

with the sr225 the amp sounds much faster using the portable. i don't hear any change in frequency extension, however the overall sound is a touch warmer on the upper midrange and there's much more detail. i was so absorbed by radiohead's ok computer (an album i'm very familiar with) that i had to put my cup of coffee down, switch the phone into voicemail, and lean back in my chair. no, i didn't hear anything new, but the spatial effect the grados offered were closer, but not equal to, those of the sennheisers. combined with the drive that i love with the sr225s it was an eye opening experience; "fitter happier" is now my favorite track on the album.

i'm looking for the time to start my own amp incorporating crossfeed and different component selection using the boards i bought from Jon, but for some reason i find myself having to spend time in an office basically doing nothing expect for listening to the cmoy (we've had maybe the longest server change in the history of mankind). corporate america is a strange place. anyway, my point is that this little amp's been like a gateway drug for me - since getting it i've spent a lot of time on this board and a lot more time listening to headphones. while i don't think my (once again basic) cmoy is the end all of anything hifi, that may be the best praise i've said about a product.

more on the wire: frank was kind enough to use some spare cabling and termination he had available. two wires were used for the ground connection and i don't have any rfi problems what so ever. i have some tara labs rsc hookup wire left over from one of my own projects and i'm hoping to find time to make a 2xrca to mini adapter and give the home components another shot.

i'm not sure if people are interested in a play by play on this component since i by no means have the experience others here have had with headphones. but i'll be more than glad to post my (novice) experience on the stuff i try with it if anyone is interested.

horray for guys like Jon,
carlo.
 
Aug 5, 2002 at 4:49 PM Post #9 of 15
great review carlo, and i was going to suggest using eac.. do you use the offset functions of the program? (descibed here )

also, i too love "fitter happier" with "fond but not in love" being my favorite line. when i was in college, i bought the ok computer poster that had lines from fitter happier across the top, while the simple cover of the album adorned the bottom half of the poster. i promptly cut the top off and hung it on my door, so whenever somebody came to knock on my room, it had lines from "fitter happier" strewn across it ("COMFORTABLE" being the most prominent). this is about as creative as i have ever been.

oh and i own fitterhappier.com so pm me if you want an e-mail address or something
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(carlo@fitterhappier.com) ?
 
Aug 5, 2002 at 5:15 PM Post #11 of 15
i didn't realise that this post had been revived, thanks for the kind words guys.

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also, i too love "fitter happier" with "fond but not in love" being my favorite line. when i was in college, i bought the ok computer poster that had lines from fitter happier across the top, while the simple cover of the album adorned the bottom half of the poster.


talk about creepy grinch, not only is that my favorite line (i sometimes have moments in life when i hear yorke's overprocessed voice tell me "fond, but not in love") but i had the same poster in my last studio apartment. you and i need to stop corresponding so much on these boards, there's way too much of a twilight zone thing happening here.

i haven't tweaked eac much, i basically only burn compilation cds nowadays, and sound quality isn't as important to me as getting it done in a hurry. thanks for the link though, i'll check it out soon. i'll pm you about the email thing... sounds like i have a new head-fi email address
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best,
carlo.
 
Aug 5, 2002 at 7:46 PM Post #12 of 15
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(i sometimes have moments in life when i hear yorke's overprocessed voice tell me "fond, but not in love")


i thought stephen hawkings sang that.
 
Aug 5, 2002 at 8:14 PM Post #13 of 15
actually it was me. i do the voice on your answering machine that lets you know how many messages you're got too. its a hard life, but someone has to do it. the rest of the time i sound like mr. t

some interesting info about the song (you're right though, not thom yorke, but possibly the same software and voice program hawking uses?):
http://www.followmearound.com/lyrics/fitterhappier.html
 
Aug 5, 2002 at 8:57 PM Post #14 of 15
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taken from http://www.greenplastic.com/lyrics/songs/fitter.html
Many people mistook the computerized voice on this track for that of physicist Stephen Hawking. The strange voice was, in fact, created by Thom on his Mac computer. He recorded it one night in an isolated area of the rehearsal space that the band had set up. Ed: "Thom basically had this checklist, like a nineties checklist if you like, and he had written it out. There is a bit of him playing piano, [which was] in the rehearsal room. He was very drunk one night, which you can tell by the sloppy playing on it, and he just played out this melody and stuff. He was very anxious that it wasn't him saying [the lyrics] - this voice is neutral. By the computer saying it, it doesn't becomed a bit of pretentious art-wank, it's something neutral in the way that the computer stumbles over words and doesn't get the pronunciation or the inflections right." Adds Thom: "The reason 'Fitter Happier' exists is 'cos of mental background noise. Some days you're in a disturbed state and it moves to the front." The track was used as an entrance song for the band on their 1997 tour.


after re-reading that, i've decided that i really need to start using the term "art-wank" more often.

glad to hear somebody else felt that way about "fond, but not in love." last year sometime, i bought a friend copies of "the bends" and "ok computer" for christmas because he simply hadn't heard them before. once when riding in his car through connecticut at around 4am (we worked a lot of overtime together) we were listening to "ok computer" and came to this track. i told him this was one of my favorites and he said "oh.. i usually skip over it." i saved that poor man from himself and pointed out this line to him and he realized he felt the same way about it. ahh, music.. the greatest tool to save people from themselves.

i think it's nice to know that somebody out there has at least similar tastes to me, most don't. it's comforting, have a good one.
 
Aug 5, 2002 at 10:03 PM Post #15 of 15
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Originally posted by carlo
actually it was me. i do the voice on your answering machine that lets you know how many messages you're got too. its a hard life, but someone has to do it. the rest of the time i sound like mr. t

some interesting info about the song (you're right though, not thom yorke, but possibly the same software and voice program hawking uses?):
http://www.followmearound.com/lyrics/fitterhappier.html


i have an old powermac that has this voice. i think it is called "fred". the old powermacs came with something like 20 voices that you could use to read text. sometimes i would use the fred voice to read my writing. it has such a creepy/serious/funny quality to it.
 

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