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I have accidentally yanked my iem cable 10 times at least. Does it affect or worsen the sound quality?
I have accidentally yanked my iem cable 10 times at least. Does it affect or worsen the sound quality?
Other than losing sound, can it affect the frequency response? like make them sound brighter or darker?It may cause wear and tear over time with small yanks and may cause fraying of the cable, and sound may be affected if certain solder points are damaged (for example, u might lose sound if you angle your cable in a certain position).
Definitely a big yank may damage the cable permanently (it happened to me once when a person snagged my cable when I was walking past him; the cable couldn't be used on the damaged side as strands of the cable braid was ripped out during that bad yank). This may be bad especially for IEMs that have non detachcable cable, as cables are generally the first point of failure for such non detachable IEMs. So try to be careful especially of door knobs or when walking past people with a wired IEM!
Other than losing sound, can it affect the frequency response? like make them sound brighter or darker?
Other than losing sound, can it affect the frequency response? like make them sound brighter or darker?
It's possible. not super likely but possible. If you break a bunch of the tiny wires around the same area(or crush them real good!), the impedance will rise(smaller conductor diameter in that area). How much is needed for an IEM to change frequency response(in one of both ears), that's really going to be case specific and very IEM dependent.Other than losing sound, can it affect the frequency response? like make them sound brighter or darker?
Interesting. is it a subtle or a very noticable change?It's possible. not super likely but possible. If you break a bunch of the tiny wires around the same area(or crush them real good!), the impedance will rise(smaller conductor diameter in that area). How much is needed for an IEM to change frequency response(in one of both ears), that's really going to be case specific and very IEM dependent.
If your wire reached such a situation, I wouldn't be too optimistic about its life expectancy. And it might be worth checking that the amp/DAP's plug still holds the jack firmly in place. Not all plugs and not all soldering jobs are equal when facing the "door knob while in rush" kind of abuse scenario.
There is no way to tell in general. Let's make up an example: after some cable brutality you've broken half the threads in the "+" right channel wire. So the impedance in that path is now doubled in the wire. To know how much impact this has on the frequency response, we need to consider the voltage at the IEM. So you need to know some electrical values. And that's where despite being a very simple circuit, the unknowns start to pile up. What is the source? What is the IEM? What impedance do they have? Is the total impedance of the cable just that of the wire's gauge? Probably not. Chances are that the plugs, soldering, contact surface with the female plug, play a bigger part than the wire itself. But we don't know unless we measure. Maybe losing half the threads leads to doubling of the impedance in the cable, maybe it only accounts for a 5% change for the all cable and then once we also count the amp and IEM, that 5% turns into 0.5% or even less(which is why we typically don't spend too much time worrying about cables changing the sound. not that they can't, but if they even barely align with some standard, the impact should be tiny under most circumstances).Interesting. is it a subtle or a very noticable change?
And if the wire is literally hanging by a thread, then who knows how very audible it could be? But obviously hanging by a thread probably wouldn't last very long.No I don't think that is likely.
The iem in question is the etymotic er2xr. I have yanked the cable some times. The cable seems intact from outside. There are some sonic differences I can hear, but I am also burning them in. So maybe it is just that.There is no way to tell in general. Let's make up an example: after some cable brutality you've broken half the threads in the "+" right channel wire. So the impedance in that path is now doubled in the wire. To know how much impact this has on the frequency response, we need to consider the voltage at the IEM. So you need to know some electrical values. And that's where despite being a very simple circuit, the unknowns start to pile up. What is the source? What is the IEM? What impedance do they have? Is the total impedance of the cable just that of the wire's gauge? Probably not. Chances are that the plugs, soldering, contact surface with the female plug, play a bigger part than the wire itself. But we don't know unless we measure. Maybe losing half the threads leads to doubling of the impedance in the cable, maybe it only accounts for a 5% change for the all cable and then once we also count the amp and IEM, that 5% turns into 0.5% or even less(which is why we typically don't spend too much time worrying about cables changing the sound. not that they can't, but if they even barely align with some standard, the impact should be tiny under most circumstances).
Or if everything had crazy low impedance and somehow the IEM's wire made almost all of the cable's total impedance, then in some scenarios you might end up with more than a dB of change and audibility becomes very real.
So we do need a bunch of data. And even then, without some idea of how much damage was done to the cable(electrically), all that would still be useless in term of making a prediction. On the other hand if I knew all the electrical measures I could easily make a prediction, but then it would take less time to just check the output and measure it^_^.
If there is some moderate damage and with most IEMs and most cables, I'd quote this about audible frequency response impact:
And if the wire is literally hanging by a thread, then who knows how very audible it could be? But obviously hanging by a thread probably wouldn't last very long.
I guess there could also be some massive damage done to the insulation, but that seems less likely to me as it's typically the most elastic part in the cable.
The iem in question is the etymotic er2xr. I have yanked the cable some times. The cable seems intact from outside. There are some sonic differences I can hear, but I am also burning them in. So maybe it is just that.