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if anyone is interested I'm going to be selling my MT220's due to an upgrade. I'm looking at AU$140 (US$105.24) plus the cost for postage. These headphones have had very minimal use in a smoke free environment. As a perfectionist myself they are in immaculate condition.
For any serious inquiries, feel free to PM me!^
For any serious inquiries, feel free to PM me!^
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Edit: Failing to reproduce what I heard below with the tuning, maybe something else went wrong? Oh well, the old x3 is wonderful and the new one is very good for treble heavy music, just has a weird tonality for music with more weight.
Hmm I think I've found another cool thing about my mod, it seems to be tuneable. What I thought was the mod bringing out the true sound of the new x3 was actually a distortion, however a very pleasurable one. I noticed that my beloved old x3 was boring me and so I opened up the headphone and noticed one of the cotton balls was very slightly sticking out, as much as in that pic in my post where you can barely see it, that was enough to dramatically effect the sound profile. Now the old x3 is like everything I could want, just capable of anything and sounds like I'm listening to the master tape, electric guitars and drums and vocals and well, everything is amazing, completely draws me in. Still needs -1 on treble though. The new x3 just sounds like a better version of what it was before, which is disappointment since I preferred the more euphonic sound. It's like the distortion amplified characteristics of the amp and demphasized others. Thing is, I only had one cotton ball too big which might explain the somewhat surreal presentation of it being both liquid and highly detailed. Gonna try sticking two slightly oversized cotton balls in there and then I guess start replacing all of them to see what different kinds of sound profiles I get.
That it's that finicky, that any minor deviation from that radically changes the sound and the sound has no apparent flaws on my fairly humble setup makes me think I have the best sounding pair, but I can't really know that unless other people do the comparison or I get more pads I guess. Has anyone noticed significant improvement from the output from their source or amp based on their mods? Like if you plug it into something mediocre and it sounds way better than you'd expect?
Also gonna clean up my mod explanation and stick a link in my sig for easy reference.
Hmm I think I've found another cool thing about my mod, it seems to be tuneable. What I thought was the mod bringing out the true sound of the new x3 was actually a distortion, however a very pleasurable one. I noticed that my beloved old x3 was boring me and so I opened up the headphone and noticed one of the cotton balls was very slightly sticking out, as much as in that pic in my post where you can barely see it, that was enough to dramatically effect the sound profile. Now the old x3 is like everything I could want, just capable of anything and sounds like I'm listening to the master tape, electric guitars and drums and vocals and well, everything is amazing, completely draws me in. Still needs -1 on treble though. The new x3 just sounds like a better version of what it was before, which is disappointment since I preferred the more euphonic sound. It's like the distortion amplified characteristics of the amp and demphasized others. Thing is, I only had one cotton ball too big which might explain the somewhat surreal presentation of it being both liquid and highly detailed. Gonna try sticking two slightly oversized cotton balls in there and then I guess start replacing all of them to see what different kinds of sound profiles I get.
That it's that finicky, that any minor deviation from that radically changes the sound and the sound has no apparent flaws on my fairly humble setup makes me think I have the best sounding pair, but I can't really know that unless other people do the comparison or I get more pads I guess. Has anyone noticed significant improvement from the output from their source or amp based on their mods? Like if you plug it into something mediocre and it sounds way better than you'd expect?
Also gonna clean up my mod explanation and stick a link in my sig for easy reference.
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Agreed. With velour pads, these sound like completely different headphones, and not in a good way.
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generally with velors u need to increase the vol or gain ..to get the sound "out"
and hopefully your amp is up to it. On my ipad, the vol is max out to get to my listening vol.
Sometimes the pad opening is too large n u lose some bass too.
Am listening thru hm5angledvelors via audiogd amp,
the sound is so clear...life like, drums are textured, hard hitting..
AnasTacia is rocking to I M O U T T A L O V E
gave me no room to complain..no where near the word "ruined" ...
havent heard the hm5flatvelors
and hopefully your amp is up to it. On my ipad, the vol is max out to get to my listening vol.
Sometimes the pad opening is too large n u lose some bass too.
Am listening thru hm5angledvelors via audiogd amp,
the sound is so clear...life like, drums are textured, hard hitting..
AnasTacia is rocking to I M O U T T A L O V E
gave me no room to complain..no where near the word "ruined" ...
havent heard the hm5flatvelors
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generally with velors u need to increase the vol or gain ..to get the sound "out"
and hopefully your amp is up to it. On my ipad, the vol is max out to get to my listening vol.
Sometimes the pad opening is too large n u lose some bass too.
Am listening thru hm5angledvelors via audiogd amp,
the sound is so clear...life like, drums are textured, hard hitting..
AnasTacia is rocking to I M O U T T A L O V E
gave me no room to complain..no where near the word "ruined" ...
havent heard the hm5flatvelors
That might help hearing the sound bounce off your ears but, you're still feeding a loud signal to your ears, maybe get one of those spl meters for phones and tablets and see where it's at? Don't go messing up your hearing!
In my experience the out of head holographic thing is surprisingly easy to get out of these headphones just by lifting the pad, I initially focused on the top back corner believing that would make it best but I'm not sure it made a huge a difference and it's nowhere near sacrificing the gains in sound quality. I know Jan Meier wrote something about headphone positioning, but I'm not seeing it online now, fortunately its on the wayback machine here.
Not sure I buy what he's selling about break in, fortunately I have one another mt 220 in the box to mod up for my dad. Gonna do a big listening test comparing it stock to modded, I guess I could test stock to stock first, see how much burn in really matters.
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Ok so I have a new in box 220 and my one with 100+ hours on it so let's see how important this burn in stuff really is. I'll also compare it to the brainwavz pleather memory foam pad without any mods.
Started with the old fio x3 but it was adding a cludge to things that wasn't helping the already congested midrange and the treble is a bit lifeless sounding, someone earlier in the thread said something to the effect of "someone playing violin in a graveyard" and that makes sense to me as I'm listening. I remember them sounding better....perhaps they're not burned in enough?! They sound better with the x3-2, more balanced but less bass heft.
Stock: Good impact on the double bass some obvious congestion in the midrange treble is washed out and dead sounding, but frequency response is even and the recording is presented accurately though without the level of impact and texture it could. Perfectly listenable stuff but it's hard to take seriously when a changed pad makes such a dramatic difference. Sounded the same to me.
Pleather: Awww yea. The congestion is gone the bass heft is more impact is better treble is clearer, it's like I was listening to a walky talky before. HOWEVER these pads are much more sensitive to positioning than the stock pads. Tilting them back too much will mess with the sound, you wanna keep em generally centered and over the the middle of your ear. Alternatively you can move em around for some natural eq.
Stock:I don't think anything can make this sound bad. It's basically just one high frequency instrument after another. The congestion is there but it's less noticeable than before. Horns sounding pretty sweet. Went back and forth thinking I'd heard a difference but would then find I didn't.
Pleather: Ya same story, it just, sounds better. You know? Getting some good soundstage out of this actually, but it's pretty vaguely defined, hard to place. Horns sound even more sweet.
Stock: This one's really deflated sounding too some of the trebly stuff sounds good tho. I went back and forth to see if I heard a difference, I don't believe I did.
Pleather: Hmm this sounds way better obviously but still kinda flat, not as sharp as I know it...lemme try the old x3. Ya that's more like it, honestly prefer the old one for the pleather by a lot, but that's not how a comparison works!
There are inevitably deviations between headphones and even the drivers of the headphone in the treble range specifically, so maybe I did hear something. But whether that something was burn in or manufacturing difference, it was crazy small even when I was specifically looking for it. It would disappear on second inspection and would never be apparent in normal listening. I don't see any reason not to just immediately start listening to this headphone, just let your brain adjust to the sound signature, hopefully without those stocks pads
Started with the old fio x3 but it was adding a cludge to things that wasn't helping the already congested midrange and the treble is a bit lifeless sounding, someone earlier in the thread said something to the effect of "someone playing violin in a graveyard" and that makes sense to me as I'm listening. I remember them sounding better....perhaps they're not burned in enough?! They sound better with the x3-2, more balanced but less bass heft.
Stock: Good impact on the double bass some obvious congestion in the midrange treble is washed out and dead sounding, but frequency response is even and the recording is presented accurately though without the level of impact and texture it could. Perfectly listenable stuff but it's hard to take seriously when a changed pad makes such a dramatic difference. Sounded the same to me.
Pleather: Awww yea. The congestion is gone the bass heft is more impact is better treble is clearer, it's like I was listening to a walky talky before. HOWEVER these pads are much more sensitive to positioning than the stock pads. Tilting them back too much will mess with the sound, you wanna keep em generally centered and over the the middle of your ear. Alternatively you can move em around for some natural eq.
Stock:I don't think anything can make this sound bad. It's basically just one high frequency instrument after another. The congestion is there but it's less noticeable than before. Horns sounding pretty sweet. Went back and forth thinking I'd heard a difference but would then find I didn't.
Pleather: Ya same story, it just, sounds better. You know? Getting some good soundstage out of this actually, but it's pretty vaguely defined, hard to place. Horns sound even more sweet.
Stock: This one's really deflated sounding too some of the trebly stuff sounds good tho. I went back and forth to see if I heard a difference, I don't believe I did.
Pleather: Hmm this sounds way better obviously but still kinda flat, not as sharp as I know it...lemme try the old x3. Ya that's more like it, honestly prefer the old one for the pleather by a lot, but that's not how a comparison works!
There are inevitably deviations between headphones and even the drivers of the headphone in the treble range specifically, so maybe I did hear something. But whether that something was burn in or manufacturing difference, it was crazy small even when I was specifically looking for it. It would disappear on second inspection and would never be apparent in normal listening. I don't see any reason not to just immediately start listening to this headphone, just let your brain adjust to the sound signature, hopefully without those stocks pads
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Back in stock at B&H, so not discontinued: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1037615-REG/yamaha_hph_mt220bl_hph_mt120_studio_monitor_headphones.html
Btw, which velour pads are folks getting for their MT220s?
Btw, which velour pads are folks getting for their MT220s?
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There's the hm5flatvelor n angledvelor...from mp4nation,
FlatM50xvelor from Massdrop...
I am happy with the angledvelor.
FlatM50xvelor from Massdrop...
I am happy with the angledvelor.
i wonder what if order extra pair of stock mt220pads, take foam out of pads , and put it in stock pads thats on your mt220 , also put double foam in one pair of pads...
hmmm
hmmm
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Guys and Girls, I am liking my experience with the MT220 but I only have about 50 hours burn-in so far.
I quite like the ear pads and I don't find them too small or shallow, maybe I have flatter ears than most?
Are there any real benefits to changing the pads only for SQ improvements?
The only issue I have is the cord length and I find that the coil tangles quite a bit but it is not really a deal breaker but a bit irritating, I may even Doctor the cable as I only use my H/Phone with a DAP or Laptop USB-DAC.
" The standard Memory Foam Ear Cushions on the HPH-MT220, the outer earpad coverings are made of synthetic protein leatherette, a material that retains moisture and has skin-like smoothness, while the special, low-repulsion cushions fit your ears for sound insulation "
I quite like the ear pads and I don't find them too small or shallow, maybe I have flatter ears than most?
Are there any real benefits to changing the pads only for SQ improvements?
The only issue I have is the cord length and I find that the coil tangles quite a bit but it is not really a deal breaker but a bit irritating, I may even Doctor the cable as I only use my H/Phone with a DAP or Laptop USB-DAC.
" The standard Memory Foam Ear Cushions on the HPH-MT220, the outer earpad coverings are made of synthetic protein leatherette, a material that retains moisture and has skin-like smoothness, while the special, low-repulsion cushions fit your ears for sound insulation "
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Just follow guyMe's suggestion of putting 4cottonballs ...or hard foam ..or anything u can roll up...
And stick them to the four corners of the pad, and give it a listen....should sond "better".
And stick them to the four corners of the pad, and give it a listen....should sond "better".
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Here is my review of the Yamaha hph mt220 form a novice point of view. This stock no mods ect..
My dac/amp is Audioquest Dragonfly ver 1.2.
Comfort: 7.5/10 This could be better but overall very good.. can be problematic with glasses sometimes. Also a bit on the heavy side but not to bad.
Build Quality: 10/10 This feels like a tank yes it has lots of plastic but very well made.
Sound stage: 7.5/10 Much better then my NVX headphones but I have heard bigger.
Sound Clarity: 9/10 so much better then most of the head phones I have tried or owned.
Sound Flavor: It is very neutral with a bit of emphasis on bass but in a good way. Also some what warmer sounding then my NVX's and much crisper. What the best thing about this headphone is the texture you can hear so much texture in music. This headphone seems to be amazing for acoustic guitars or any string instrument. Also drums and cymbals are like high quality porn for my ears.
Value: I got mine for $145 so at that price it is defiantly worth it.. at its original $200 it might be a tad over priced. Not for the sound quality but for comfort, lack of detachable cable, and coiled cord can be a bit annoying.
This is my point of view so far on these head phones but I do not have a vast collection to compare them against.
My dac/amp is Audioquest Dragonfly ver 1.2.
Comfort: 7.5/10 This could be better but overall very good.. can be problematic with glasses sometimes. Also a bit on the heavy side but not to bad.
Build Quality: 10/10 This feels like a tank yes it has lots of plastic but very well made.
Sound stage: 7.5/10 Much better then my NVX headphones but I have heard bigger.
Sound Clarity: 9/10 so much better then most of the head phones I have tried or owned.
Sound Flavor: It is very neutral with a bit of emphasis on bass but in a good way. Also some what warmer sounding then my NVX's and much crisper. What the best thing about this headphone is the texture you can hear so much texture in music. This headphone seems to be amazing for acoustic guitars or any string instrument. Also drums and cymbals are like high quality porn for my ears.
Value: I got mine for $145 so at that price it is defiantly worth it.. at its original $200 it might be a tad over priced. Not for the sound quality but for comfort, lack of detachable cable, and coiled cord can be a bit annoying.
This is my point of view so far on these head phones but I do not have a vast collection to compare them against.
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