Wow! Sennheiser HD 540 Reference are so good.
Jul 7, 2023 at 9:55 AM Post #4,246 of 4,310
This is basically my experience with the ref II, even after all the tinkering, which I why I feel I'd probably have a more comfortable listening experience with some rings. Maybe I'll try popping in the ones from my 560 at some point. I have tried it with normal felt, which killed the detail and staging, but I imagine its a bit different to having proper acoustic felt
Then the felt rings might be a solution in your case, otherwise you can try and make those rings out of toilet paper. Know sounds weird. Did that with my hd 560 their supposed to come with some paper/cellulose rings on them that cover most of the driver with a very small open dome in center. Since I couldn't find a replacement anymore tried toilet paper, took 5 layer on cut a piece to shape and tested then removed a layer and tested again, and one more time ended up with 3 layers I believe.(you can plie the layers apart quite easily making the exact thickness needed.)
Might do the trick for your 540s aswell.
 
Jul 10, 2023 at 6:50 PM Post #4,247 of 4,310
Does anyone have a set of these versions of the HD420 SL? I found the user manual in my docs recently, maybe a family member may have had a pair sometime ago. There seems to be both 600 ohm and 50 ohm versions.

I have corrected my mistakes on both impedance and model number! Must have had a late night.
There are three versions; the HD420 SL-2 which is 50 ohms and has the more usual 3.5mm to 6.3mm connectors, the other two are both 600 ohms, the SL-13 having a straight 6.3mm plug, and the 420SL that has the Din connector that we are used to on our original HD540 cables. I'd be intrigued to hear a 50 ohm pair one day.
 

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Jul 18, 2023 at 7:41 AM Post #4,249 of 4,310
I have a 600 Ohm version. As I know there are two 600 Ohm version (only cable difference) and one 50 Ohm version.
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I'd imagine the 50 ohm version could/would have been used with the cassette Walkmen of the times, I used to have a pair of over-ear Sony cans for a Panasonic Walkman back in the 80's. I can't imagine they'd have much bass even with the 50 ohms, but I like the look of them.
 
Jul 18, 2023 at 8:04 AM Post #4,251 of 4,310
50 Ohm version had a mini jack 3.5" (with adapter to 6.3"). So it looks like it was planned for the Walkman...
Agreed. I really like the way Sennheiser constructed their cans back in those days. Light and non-resonant.
 
Jul 21, 2023 at 10:42 AM Post #4,253 of 4,310
Hello,

Does anybody know where to source 2mm and 5mm black foam to to replace the front and back foam in an HD540 II. What kind should I use? Any recommendation on density? Thanks!
The black colour you can see in the back is actually a cloth material, that was attached to the original foam, which was probably white/ish when new, but has probably turned a browny orange by now. I've found low density polyurethane (upholstery) foam to work the best in the back, but I don't know where it can be sourced at 2mm, which is probably the thickness you need... the thinnest I've been able to find is 6.3mm and makes it feel a bit overdamped.
For the front foam, message this ebay seller and ask if you can buy some foam circles for the 540, maybe a selection, and then pick whichever ones happen to be the most dense https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264914235468?hash=item3dae1e704c:g:Wa8AAOSwDwJfl7Ie

Oddly, I can't see their ads for their pleather earpads at the moment
 
Aug 2, 2023 at 11:58 AM Post #4,254 of 4,310
Ready to join the HD 540 owner's club now!
Got me a pair in acceptable condition at a low price, with even the foam intact and the only trouble being that I had to glue one driver dust cover back on. However, it turns out that they did not have the original pads, but instead used amateurish glued-on felt pads for some reason... I had to remove these of course and can't reattach them (not that I'd want to), so that leaves me with only the basic shell of the ear cups.

Any ideas how to attach some other pads properly?
I've got both Beyerdynamic and Brainwavz pads lying around, but none of them are going to work without the pad ring that is, of course, missing. Does anyone have a 3d printing file for the ring or something like that?

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Aug 2, 2023 at 7:27 PM Post #4,255 of 4,310
Ready to join the HD 540 owner's club now!
Got me a pair in acceptable condition at a low price, with even the foam intact and the only trouble being that I had to glue one driver dust cover back on. However, it turns out that they did not have the original pads, but instead used amateurish glued-on felt pads for some reason... I had to remove these of course and can't reattach them (not that I'd want to), so that leaves me with only the basic shell of the ear cups.

Any ideas how to attach some other pads properly?
I've got both Beyerdynamic and Brainwavz pads lying around, but none of them are going to work without the pad ring that is, of course, missing. Does anyone have a 3d printing file for the ring or something like that?

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Welcome to the 'club' :) You might want to check the state of the outer foams too, if they look brittle and/or patchy they too can be replaced with 5mm foam discs, something like the thicker ones that come with the wang_yifei pleather pads mentioned countless times here. They work perfectly for me. I've had a friend of a friend with a 3D printer make up some spare pad rings for me, they are a perfect fit, just a creamy white in colour instead of black. If you're prepared to have some shipped over to you from Australia, then I could arrange for you to have some made and I will put you in contact with the printer. I have no idea of price, but they certainly won't be expensive, from vague memory maybe $25 shipped within Australia. It's great to have spare rings at last!
No one here has recommended the Brainwavz pads for the HD540's, least of all from me who found them to be awful, destroying the natural flow of the headphones, bloating the bass and deadening the treble. Same goes for almost all the memory foam pads. There are plenty of good recommendations in these pages.
 
Aug 5, 2023 at 9:06 AM Post #4,256 of 4,310
No one here has recommended the Brainwavz pads for the HD540's, least of all from me who found them to be awful, destroying the natural flow of the headphones, bloating the bass and deadening the treble. Same goes for almost all the memory foam pads. There are plenty of good recommendations in these pages.
Reading through this thread a bit more, it seems like they wouldn't be the best choice. I'll be looking for the wang_yifei pads instead (though they themselves do not seem to be selling those pleather ones via eBay any more? I can just see thick sheepskin/memory foam ear pads and those do not seem to be the right ones).

Welcome to the 'club' :) You might want to check the state of the outer foams too, if they look brittle and/or patchy they too can be replaced with 5mm foam discs, something like the thicker ones that come with the wang_yifei pleather pads mentioned countless times here.
"Outer foams" meaning those at the back of the ear cups? They seem to be fine for me, but I might stock up on foams in case they will be needed later.
I've had a friend of a friend with a 3D printer make up some spare pad rings for me, they are a perfect fit, just a creamy white in colour instead of black. If you're prepared to have some shipped over to you from Australia, then I could arrange for you to have some made and I will put you in contact with the printer. I have no idea of price, but they certainly won't be expensive, from vague memory maybe $25 shipped within Australia. It's great to have spare rings at last!
Thanks for the offer! I'm located in Europe though and the shipping costs would get to the point where I could just buy another pair of 540s (which I'm actually considering-- never a bad idea to have some spare parts anyways). I suppose I'll try to get proper pads first and then figure out some mounting solution.
 
Aug 5, 2023 at 10:54 AM Post #4,257 of 4,310
I searched on ebay again and couldn't find the pads in wang_yifei's ebay store. However, looking through my watch list, I did find a link for the pads, which still seems to work.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251387223412?var=551122534930

Hopefully this link will work for people? All I would say is that if you can order some of these, it might be worth letting him know that there's a problem with finding these through the search function for some reason, incase its some sort of error that he's not aware of
 
Aug 5, 2023 at 11:56 AM Post #4,258 of 4,310
I searched on ebay again and couldn't find the pads in wang_yifei's ebay store. However, looking through my watch list, I did find a link for the pads, which still seems to work.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251387223412?var=551122534930

Hopefully this link will work for people? All I would say is that if you can order some of these, it might be worth letting him know that there's a problem with finding these through the search function for some reason, incase its some sort of error that he's not aware of
Thanks for the link! I assumed that the issue was that I was browsing from German eBay, but the behavior seems to be the same no matter which domain I use. Anyways, the link works and I've purchased a pair (I hope they are actually in stock), and I've dropped wang_yifei an e-mail inquiring if they are still being sold and informing him about the problem.
Crossing my fingers that this works out :)
 
Aug 5, 2023 at 11:59 AM Post #4,259 of 4,310
Thanks for the link! I assumed that the issue was that I was browsing from German eBay, but the behavior seems to be the same no matter which domain I use. Anyways, the link works and I've purchased a pair (I hope they are actually in stock), and I've dropped wang_yifei an e-mail inquiring if they are still being sold and informing him about the problem.
Crossing my fingers that this works out :)
Excellent, I'm glad that it worked! It's just as well that I never delete anything from my watchlist I guess :sweat_smile:
 
Aug 5, 2023 at 7:40 PM Post #4,260 of 4,310
I recently acquired an HD540 REFII. Since I have a MiniDSP HEARS I figured I’ll try to measure the differences between pads and the effect of different tweaks. (I’m pretty new to all of this and more of speaker listener so any comments are welcome).

The HEARS is not very accurate above 3kHz but can be “corrected” for measuring a specific type of headphone. The HD600 is built similar to the 540. I was able find measurements of the 600 on a HEARS so yesterday evening I made a correction for the HEARS using Crinacle’s measurements of the HD 600 on a GRAS 43AG as reference. The resulting correction was very similar to the general correction for over-ear type headphones proposed by Oratory (except for the bass range where Oratory uses the Harman Boost and I don’t):

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Oratory over ear correction (black) and my L and R corrections


Seems to be pretty well within the error margin:
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So today I made some measurements. The 540 like the 600 is not very critical of position. The measurements are very repeatable. Only the seal and clamp pressure change the bass extension somewhat. So the below measurements are single measurements not averages of many measurements as the change in doing multiple measurements is minimal.


Stock with new foam disks from “Wang” in front of the drivers and new 0,5cm foam behind the driver against measurement of “Oratory”. These are raw measurement so the ear gain peak is not removed:
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Green: Oratory GRAS 45CA. Blue: Stock with “Wang” front foam and new back foam. Not a bad match. I'm looking trends and relative changes between tweaks. Not super accuracy.

As a “sanity check” Here’s Crinacle’s measurement of the HD 600 L and R channel. Differences of up to 5dB seem normal.
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So now onto some comparisons of tweaks and pads. Target is Harman 2018 above 1kHz and flat below like the Crinacle target for all the following charts.

Here’s the stock version with ‘Wang" foam disks compared to adding some acoustic fabric disk in front of the wang foam. The extra fabric attenuates the highest frequencies a tiny bit:
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Only wang foam in blue. Added fabric disk in green.
Notice how stable the measurements are. I removed the pads inserted the fabric and replaced the phones on the fixture between measurements


Here’s the stock pads with wang foam compared to Wang Pleather pads and foam disk (fabric still covering the foam disk):
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Stock blue. Wang Pleather and foam plus acoustic fabric green.
The response is much flatter up to 5kHz. The peaks at 5 and 8 kHz are reduced a bit. Not bad.


So I was thinking how to reduce the highest frequencies. Looking at the response of the HD600 it is very smooth on top. The shape of the ear cups is different but I figured the diver would be similar. Googling for some pictures I noticed the driver is indeed similar but the baffle has smaller centre opening partially covering the driver. So I cut some Scottex disks to make the centre opening smaller.

HD600 driver:
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HD600 Baffle:
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Scottex baffle kept in place with tiny bits of scotch for the moment:
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And the result:
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Wang Pleather and foam plus acoustic fabric: green. Added paper baffle and removed acoustic fabric: red.

Bingo!
The dip at 10kHz is not there in reality. I checked with a sine sweep and I hear no dip at all. It’s just a resonance in the HEARS “ear canal”. The peak at 13 and dip 14K dip also don’t seem to be there but it’s at the limit of my middle aged hearing so I’m not sure.


Here’s both the L and R channel:
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Disregarding the dip at 10k I’m roughly within ±2.5 dB up to 13k.
I’m done… It sounds fabulous!
The disks seem to enhance the staging also.

The Wang pads were installed without the clip ring since they are in my original pads. They stay in place without the rings but not really well. The rings are almost impossible to remove without damaging the pads but I figured I wouldn’t use the pads anyway so pulled the rings out and put them in the Wang Pads.
With the pads secure in place I thought I'd be a happy camper but…

Big mistake:
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The rings completely change the tuning!
Come to think of it they seal the gap between the baffle and the cup. So effectively they seal the baffle edge.
So out go the rings and I need to think of a way to make the pads stick better. Maybe some double sided tape on the side of the cup or some spring metal rings in the pads. Any ideas are welcome.

Happy tuning!
 

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