[HariBhushan]

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 Some people will defend Apple's earbuds to the death,
 

 

LOL. thanks for the laughs hodjy, you really made my day

 

[Punnisher]

I'm really surprised that some people can't stand the dt880/250. They are my absolute favorite headphone. I've yet to hear the 600 ohm version but I'm in no hurry to upgrade.

 

[Xennon]

 
@HariBhushan
Well mate, what is neutral is a never ending debate. Beyerdynamic sound (2003 editions, 2005 pro, 2005 premium - 32-250-600 ohms, whatever) is at least sharper than the HD650s that you say you liked. Beyer prefers it like that, and it is for the people preferring it in the same way. This is why I noted that "If one does not like the overall sound signature of the beyer family, it is possible for one not to give importance to the better presentation of the 880/600s." If you prefer Sennheiser as a starting point, DT880/600 may not be anything special, because it still interprets the music with the beyer glasses. 880/600 has more mids than the 250 ohms, but it is not as much as HD650s which I call too coloured. If one expects Sennheiser mids from DT880/600, it still lacks. If you look for HD650's highs out of it, DT880/600s are still sharp.

 

[Bombarde]

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I'm ready to sell my 600ohm and try some 250ohm'ers. screw 600ohm, 250ohm is where the real party is !
 

Ha! Given that you already had 250s, you might want to hang on to your 600s when you buy your new 250s so you can compare them directly. 

 

[Zombie_X]

I find my DT880/600 to have insanely smooth treble. I detect any spikes at all. Wuss, you could just simply have a little sensitivity to treble. As for me, I don't have any sensitivity to any treble, the MDR-V6 does not even bother me (but they do have TOO much treble).
 
The DT990/600 has more treble than the DT880/600 for sure and there is a slight "sst" to the sound when you hear an S being spoken. With the right amp though, that can be gone. I know with ym WA3+ I don't get it at all.

 

[Bilavideo]

If you like what you have, why spend more?  On the other hand, I love MH's simple words of advice: If you're going to buy a beyer, get the 600 ohm version.

 

[MacedonianHero]

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If you like what you have, why spend more?  On the other hand, I love MH's simple words of advice: If you're going to buy a beyer, get the 600 ohm version.

And a small corollary to that...."the 600ohms are only very slightly harder to drive than the 250ohms".
 
I find a lot of people look at the more than 2x impedance difference and think...darn, I need an amp twice as powerful. It's simply not that way at all with beyer cans. The 600 ohm drivers are so light and efficient that they are pretty much as easy to drive as 300 ohm headphones. I keep my volume dial at the same setting with both my HD800s (300 ohms) and T1s (600 ohms).

 

[hodgjy]

That is also a misconception--to think that impedance is the most important thing to do with volume.  Sensitivity is also highly important.
 
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I find a lot of people look at the more than 2x impedance difference and think...darn, I need an amp twice as powerful. It's simply not that way at all with beyer cans. The 600 ohm drivers are so light and efficient that they are pretty much as easy to drive as 300 ohm headphones. I keep my volume dial at the same setting with both my HD800s (300 ohms) and T1s (600 ohms).

 

[MacedonianHero]

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That is also a misconception--to think that impedance is the most important thing to do with volume.  Sensitivity is also highly important.
 

 

Exactly. Low impedance headphones can be quite harder to drive...hello K701s. Some need huge amounts of current to hit their potential.

 

[hodgjy]

I first became aware of that a few years ago when I was listening to a family member's Klipsch speakers.  They filled the room with so much sound.  I ignorantly asked, "How many watts are in your amp?"  I thought it had to be at least 200.  He said, "10."  What?  The speakers were near 100 db SPL.  Explains everything.

 

[wavoman]

At age 61 high-end hearing rolls off a tad, but I must say I hear treble harshness in my Grado GS-1000s but not in my Beyer 880/600s.
 
I currently have both the 880/600 and 880/250.  Difference is fairly large, although perhaps I have magnified it by (a) balancing the 880/600s and upgrading the cable, and (b) driving the 880/600s with a better amp (a QES Labs HPBA designed specifically for 600-ohm phones).  I drive the 880/250's with beyer's amp.
 
The 880/600 has better transient response, especially bass transient response ... this lack of "mud" compensates for the slight lack of depth at the lower frequencies of the 880/600 vs other phones.  The 880/250 does not share this compensating factor -- it sounds bass-shy to me.
 
The 880/600 is more resolving; low-level detail is in sharper focus.  There is an audible "smear" to the 880/250s. 
 
And the 880/600s seem to be more "real" -- this means a better soundstage, and a touch of wet.  With the 880/250s it is not possible to stop thinking you are listening to headphones -- a touch of dry.
 
Yea the amps are different, but both are solid state, of similar design as far as I can tell,  and voiced specifically for the phones attached to them.  Futhermore, I don't think balancing/re-cabling adds all that much, really.  I think the difference -- and the difference is real, audible for sure -- is driver quality, and quality control -- my 880/600s are MANUFAKTUR, known for better QC.

 

[chinesekiwi]

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I wonder how the DT880/600 or DT990/600 would sound on the Beta22 or RockShopper m^3.

Very well, the bass extends very well and the M3 with default opamp is quite transparent.

 

[Zombie_X]

Yes the K701/K702 and the D5000/D7000 are actually harder to drive than you'd expect given their impedance ratings. It's funny though that 600Ohm DT880/DT990 both require nearly the same power as the 250Ohm versions.
 
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Exactly. Low impedance headphones can be quite harder to drive...hello K701s. Some need huge amounts of current to hit their potential.