May 8, 2008 at 7:52 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 7

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Some excerpts from a NYT article called "Wine’s Pleasures: Are They All in Your Head?" by ERIC ASIMOV

there is a lot here that can be applied to cables, both pro and con.


In press accounts of two studies on wine psychology, consumers have been portrayed as dupes and twits, subject to the manipulations of marketers, critics and charlatan producers who have cloaked wine in mystique and sham sophistication in hopes of better separating the public from its money.

One of the studies was devised by Robin Goldstein, a food writer, to try to isolate consumers from outside influence so they could simply judge wine by what’s in the glass. He had 500 volunteers sample and rate 540 unidentified wines priced from $1.50 to $150 a bottle. The results are described in a new book, “The Wine Trials,” to be published this month by Fearless Critic Media.

The book wraps the results in a discussion of marketing manipulations and statistical validity, but a brief article in the April 7 issue of Newsweek magazine, naturally, seized on the book’s populist triumphs: a $10 bottle of bubbly from Washington state outscored Dom Pérignon, which sells for $150 a bottle, while Two-Buck Chuck, the cheap Charles Shaw California cabernet sauvignon, topped a $55 bottle of Napa Valley cabernet.

“Their results might rattle a few wine snobs, but the average oenophile can rejoice: 100 wines under $15 consistently outperformed their upscale cousins,” the article exulted.

Two caveats are in order here. First, it turns out that the results of the tastings are more nuanced than the Newsweek article let on. In fact, the book shows that what appeals to novice wine drinkers is significantly different from what appeals to wine experts, which the book defines as those who have had some sort of training or professional experience with wine. The experts, by the way, preferred the Dom Pérignon.
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But assuming for the moment that it’s true that most drinkers prefer the cheap stuff, why does anyone bother buying $55 cabernet? One answer is provided by a second experiment, in which presumably sober researchers at the California Institute of Technology and the Stanford Business School demonstrated that the more expensive consumers think a wine is, the more pleasure they are apt to take in it.

The researchers scanned the brains of 21 volunteer wine novices as they administered tiny tastes of wine, measuring sensations in the medial orbitofrontal cortex, the part of the brain where flavor responses apparently register. The subjects were told only the price of the wines. Without their knowledge, they tasted one wine twice, and were given two different prices for that wine. Invariably they preferred the one they thought was more expensive.

“Forget those blurbs about bouquets, body and berries,” one newspaper account crowed. “A meticulous new study found that the more people think a wine cost, the more they like it. And the less they think it cost, the less they like it.”

The fact is, the correlation between price and quality is so powerful that it affects not just our perception of wine but of all consumer goods.

“It’s not just about wine, it’s about everything!” said Prof. Dan Ariely, a behavioral economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and author of the book “Predictably Irrational: The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions” (HarperCollins, $25.95), which examines how people make all sorts of real life decisions. Regardless of the situation, Professor Ariely found, suggestion has a powerful effect on perception and belief.

In one experiment, volunteers who received mild electric shocks were given placebo pills to relieve the pain. They were told that the pills cost either 10 cents or $2.50. The participants believed that both kinds of pills helped relieve pain, but the seemingly more expensive pills had a much greater effect.

“If you expect not to get something as good, lo and behold, it’s not as good,” Professor Ariely said. “We think of it as an objective reality. We don’t see how much is created by our mind.”
 
May 8, 2008 at 9:49 PM Post #3 of 7
people need to read carefully to see what this article says.

* people who had no experience with wine generally could not distinguish between cheap and expensive wine.

BUT

* those who had experience "preferred the Dom Pérignon" - i.e., they were able to tell the difference between the two.

i think the same applies to cables as well as other equipment (sources, etc). people who have owned and listened to a wide range of gear and who have developed that critical listening ability can distinguish between different components. those who merely content themselves with consumer grade gear and although may love music don't really consider themselves audiophiles will not be able to tell the difference between cables, sources, or other types of gear.

that's what this article tells me.
 
May 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM Post #4 of 7
Wine has passed double blind testing. In fact, 'professional' wine testers undergo periodic blind testing to keep their status, and several connoisseurs flaunt their ability to blind test wine (amusing anecdote as an aside: read Roald Dahl's "taste"). That answers back all of the stuff about experienced/unexperienced. As for the brain/pleasure analysis, I mean, that's just classic placebo effect at work. I'll sell you 10,000 dollar Home Depot cables if it will make you happy.
 
May 11, 2008 at 4:34 AM Post #5 of 7
Interesting read - thanks.

There is no doubt in my mind that expectations guide experiences. Remaining objective is a very difficult thing to do.

This is post reminds me in some respects of the view that you should only cook with wine that you would like to drink. While I have never seen a statisically valid DBT on cooking and wine, I have seen one TV experiment where the chef cooked two steak meals and wine sauce. One of the wines was a cheap and cheerful bottle, the other a $700 bottle of Penfolds Grange. The TV wine presenter was asked to nominate the meal he preferred. You guessed it, he preferred the sauce made with the cheap and cheerful wine. Not scientific, but still interesting.

Does anyone know of scientific research regarding 'taste memory'. If 'taste' memory' is longer lasting, and can be converted to reliable memories, then I can understand the wine tasting 'learned' skill.
 
May 11, 2008 at 7:30 PM Post #6 of 7
There are a few scientific studies done regarding taste memory, but perhaps in a different manner than what you're talking about. Apparently the mind/subconscious links food with specific neophobic responses. It seems (at least to me) almost Pavlovian. I don't have the study on hand but I'll try to look for it - I believe it was done by Oxford, and I researched it over the summer at Northwestern University when I had journal access =/ so if I find it unfortunately I'll only have access to the abstract.
 
May 11, 2008 at 7:34 PM Post #7 of 7
Just a reminder that all the usual rules apply with regard to these kind of discussions. Keep it civil, please...thanks.
 

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