There seem to be quite a few "subjectivist vs objectivist" arguments in the Sound Science section. I don't see a similar number of such arguments in the other sections of Head-Fi. I understand the prohibition on "objectivist" posts in the other sections. I would have expected a similar prohibition on "subjectivist" posts in the Sound Sciences section. It appears to me that there isn't one, or at least it's not being enforced. What's the story here?
we cannot badmouth people or make sponsors too uncomfortable. it has nothing to do with who's right or wrong so you can go post whatever nonsense all over headfi, as long as it's positive nonsens.
we end up in here because we are not creative enough. we only repeat the same stuff again and again for the petty reason that it's how it works. no imagination at all.
BS. The reason some arguments aren't allowed is for the same reason politics and religion aren't allowed. If someone does a DBT or ABX when writing a review, despite it being essentially forbidden in the main forums, I've always allowed the review, and so has every other moderator as far as I know. The problem is, various people have been going around trying to railroad through their ideas and trash the forums in the process (about many topics, not just related to Sound Science, but even what headphones or IEMs are "good"). They aren't interested in the arguments, they are only interested in their arguments being the only truth. When they run out of arguments, they get abusive and start calling people names, or make up lies. When I stopped that, they'd try implying that other people were deluded or similar. When they were banned, they'd say we were protecting sponsors (when sponsors products had nothing to do with the discussion and despite the fact that sponsors' products are lambasted daily here).
A point I've continually tried to make is: Science is about discovery. Its purpose is help us understand ourselves, our world and our universe. Our understanding of things is continually evolving and we don't yet understand a huge number of things about either ourselves, our world or our universe. When I gave an example yesterday of a person having developed an ability beyond what is known
by science to be possible, all I got back was rudeness. When I checked the Sound Science forum, a few of the active threads were not about science at all, but were about mocking ideas or products (even if those products are extremely dubious). The threads I think
should be active here are the ones where people test their ability to hear differences in compressed files, DBTs of different products, explaining to members the technical aspects of audio and other, practical topics. Better still would be if people here developed experiments, DIYed or modified products, and discussed the results. Sometimes I see some of this, but not often enough.
Good science takes a LOT of effort. Many scientists I know spend not just years, but
decades researching the same thing. Andrew Wiles, who figured out Fermat's Last Theorem was fascinated by it from his childhood and, after becoming a university professor, spent
7 years on it alone. To prove it, he had to prove a mathematical theory that nobody had ever been able to prove, then connect two completely very high levels of unrelated mathematics together by designing an entirely new system to explain them. I mention this because I feel many people here don't appreciate how much hard work science of any kind can be. It's infuriating to see comments such as those suggesting a product is a rip off because it is only $50-worth of parts in a box, without the slightest appreciation for what is required to learn how to make, think of, design, test and redesign many times product which then has to be tediously set up for manufacture, with huge financial risks, after which the company has spend a lot of time and/or money providing customer service.
On the other hand, it's very easy to register on a forum and rubbish a product or person, with no knowledge of these things (maybe after reading Wikipedia) and little effort.
A while back people were saying that people shouldn't be allowed to post in the Sound Science forum anything they couldn't back up with evidence. I replied that if people were going to be required to do an ABX or DBT for everything they claimed here, then everyone should also provide their qualifications and experience when commenting here too.
I really wish that genuine science and learning could happen here, but that requires a lot of effort and it would require the help of manufacturers too. The problem is, I fear, is the same thing would happen as did to Dan Lavry and others who attempted to discuss the complexities of audio electronics -- they were shouted off the forums by people only interested in trashing manufacturers of expensive products and perpetuate the "hate club" mentality that has developed around the discussion of science.