Why Computer is better than transport

Dec 19, 2005 at 3:41 AM Post #2 of 11
Interesting. I saw the latest metronome cd transport for 14k or whatever it was, using all the crazy servo balanced and belt drive, etc. And I realized, why not just use a hard drive and couple it with a great digital output stage?
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Dec 19, 2005 at 3:20 PM Post #4 of 11
From one of the articles linked:

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Actually most modern personal computers intentionally insert jitter into the master clock of the computer in order to limit the RF emissions from the computer, and thereby pass FCC testing. This is desirable if you want to sell any computers.

Digital audio systems however are different because they use both the data and the timing of the clock to reproduce the original recording. The data stream is transferred "real-time."


This author is discussing the positive attributes of digital music servers, not PCs, which do appear to have some limitations jitter-wise.

Further, he goes on to list causes of jitter:

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There are a number of key components in typical digital audio systems where contributions to jitter is significant, including:

1. The pits in the CD

2. Reading of the pits by the optical read-head of the transport

3. Jitter in the master clock in the transport and Jitter in the asynchronous re-clocking in an upsampling DAC

4. Transmission of the S/PDIF signal

5. Dispersion of the signal in the S/PDIF or AES/EBU cable

6. The electrical-optical-electrical conversions in a Toslink interface

7. Conversion of S/PDIF to extract clock and data

8. Noisy power supplies and ground-loop noise


If you are using a computer as a transport for a separate outboard DAC, looks like, according to this author at least, you still have 4-8 to worry about jitter-wise, even if effects may be less than using a CDP as a transport to an outboard DAC:

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Computer-driven audio usually eliminates jitter contributors 1, 2 and 3. In some cases it also eliminates or minimizes jitter contributors 4, 5, 6, 7, and even 8.


So, computer or music-server-based audio is not "perfect" either, though it has its advantages as a transport. But if you are using a high-quality (good PSU) all-in-one CD player without an outboard DAC, it seems to me, issues 1-3 are still a factor, but 4-8 don't apply as you are not outputting a digital signal to an outboard DAC.

6 of 1, half-dozen of the other.
 
Dec 19, 2005 at 5:15 PM Post #5 of 11
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Originally Posted by markl
From one of the articles linked:

This author is discussing the positive attributes of digital music servers, not PCs, which do appear to have some limitations jitter-wise.



This is not applicable, because the "master clock" of the PC is not what is used to generate the audio signal. EVERY soundcard I've ever seen, including the $10 jobs had their own clocking mechanisms onboard, and on SOME soundcards they use the same sort of high-quality clocks used in CDP's and DAC's.
 
Dec 19, 2005 at 8:15 PM Post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by Iron_Dreamer
This is not applicable, because the "master clock" of the PC is not what is used to generate the audio signal. EVERY soundcard I've ever seen, including the $10 jobs had their own clocking mechanisms onboard, and on SOME soundcards they use the same sort of high-quality clocks used in CDP's and DAC's.


As well as modding a superclock or something onto the digital output to replace the clock.
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Dec 19, 2005 at 9:53 PM Post #7 of 11
well markl thats how it is now, but the wavelength dacs claim to be asynchronous (theres no way to test it though). They convert directly to I2S, no spdif involved. Anyway i think steve missed the main reason comp transports are preferable...putting in cds is a pain in the a**!
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Dec 20, 2005 at 1:26 PM Post #8 of 11
and to argue against, a great cause of jitter is powersupply noise. In this area a CDplayer has a computer trumped. There's no end to digital noise in a computer which will have an averse effect on the signal.
 
Dec 20, 2005 at 1:29 PM Post #9 of 11
This is one of those trick questions isn't it?
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Dec 20, 2005 at 2:10 PM Post #10 of 11
Besides the transport mechanical limitations (and aren't we using the single term "jitter" to describe noise from a wide variety of electrical and mechanical sources related to disc playback?), it seems to me HD audio is now viably stepping out as an audio source apart from CDPs much as component stereo stepped away from the home "coffin" stereos. With HD audio source, the owner/operator can make individual choices as to transports, soundcards, ripping and burning software, PSUs, and other hardware and software rather than take what a CDP manufacturer has chosen and "packaged". It's an exciting time to be enjoying audio.
 
Dec 20, 2005 at 7:26 PM Post #11 of 11
Quote:

Originally Posted by markl
From one of the articles linked:

This author is discussing the positive attributes of digital music servers, not PCs, which do appear to have some limitations jitter-wise.

Further, he goes on to list causes of jitter:

If you are using a computer as a transport for a separate outboard DAC, looks like, according to this author at least, you still have 4-8 to worry about jitter-wise, even if effects may be less than using a CDP as a transport to an outboard DAC:



So, computer or music-server-based audio is not "perfect" either, though it has its advantages as a transport. But if you are using a high-quality (good PSU) all-in-one CD player without an outboard DAC, it seems to me, issues 1-3 are still a factor, but 4-8 don't apply as you are not outputting a digital signal to an outboard DAC.

6 of 1, half-dozen of the other.



No, I'm not talking about music servers. I'm talking about driving a converter from a laptop using USB or WI-FI.
Steve N.
 

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