Who will be the first in try this....?
Jul 2, 2003 at 11:38 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 29

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Walker Audio has developed a new product that improves the sound of CDs and the sound and picture quality of DVDs by as much as 30%.

Vivid is called an "enhancer" because it does much more than clean the discs. It contains a cleaning agent, optical enhancer and de-static properties. This allows the CD or DVD player to receive more of the information that is on the disc and reproduce it with astonishing clarity.

What To Expect With DVDs
Vivid will improve both the sound and the picture quality of the DVD. Look for improved color definition and a cleaner, sharper image. Colors will be more alive without harshness or brightness and there is an increased sense of depth to the picture. Distances between foreground and background objects become more realistic. Also, listen for sound effects to be more distinct and focused. The audio will have dimensionality and sounds will appear to move across the soundstage.

What To Expect With CDs
With Vivid, you will hear more of the music that is on the CD. The sound from CDs will be much clearer. The soundstage will be wider and deeper and more focused. Bass will be fuller, yet more precise and distinct. The upper ranges will be less harsh. High frequencies and harmonics will be more defined and natural-sounding.
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Jul 2, 2003 at 11:55 PM Post #2 of 29
where and how much?
 
Jul 2, 2003 at 11:57 PM Post #3 of 29
voodoo
-Mag
 
Jul 2, 2003 at 11:58 PM Post #4 of 29
wut the....
 
Jul 2, 2003 at 11:59 PM Post #5 of 29
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Originally posted by MagusG
voodoo
-Mag


dude, voodoo only improves 10-15% tops. they claim up to 30%.
 
Jul 3, 2003 at 12:02 AM Post #7 of 29
Here, take a look, $70.00 USD a bottle there are another unbelievable stuff there like a magnetic acrylic pad etc....this guys are unbelievable.....!!!!!

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Jul 3, 2003 at 12:06 AM Post #8 of 29
I bought this stuff a while ago and posted on it here. This stuff is incredible for taking the disc and making it much, much, much smoother and transparent so that the laser can reach the info easier. I have also used it on some DVDs to see what it would do.........
 
Jul 3, 2003 at 12:08 AM Post #9 of 29
FYI they also offer in the email money back guarantee...take a look this was the sign on top....

"WE GUARANTEE YOU'LL HEAR AND SEE THE DIFFERENCE OR YOUR MONEY BACK"
 
Jul 3, 2003 at 12:16 AM Post #10 of 29
Serving, maybe you are right and I do not doubt that this will improve the sound, but the only way they made the info better readable through the plastic (if it is perfectly clean, like a new CD or so) is if this substance change or interact with the molecular structure of the plastic coating of the CD, and IMO it is not posible without increasing or decreasing the temp in a considerable amount, like the cryo treatment or so....there has to be another explanation, of course if you take a dirty CD and clean it with this "magic liquid" maybe it will sound better, but if it improve the sound even in a new CD....this is very weird at least IMO....
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Jul 3, 2003 at 2:21 AM Post #11 of 29
Alberto,

Well, my wife and I just watched A Bug's Life on DVD and let me tell you this: the colors were WAY more vivid this time than ever before! Period. We both have seen this movie about 30 times and were just blown away by how much more saturated the colors were. The sound effects also seemed a little bit better, but who knows.

Actually, when you see the difference before and after on how much shinier the CDs and DVDs are, you would think twice about the effect it has. Even a brand new disc benefits from being treated with this stuff.

On one disc that I knew to be scratched and skipping before I tried it before treating it and with the new CDP it didn't skip. But after treating it the disc DID start skipping. If you go with this stuff and use it on a really scratched up disc, us a Skip Doctor first. The best way to use a Skip Doctor is to fill you sink with some hot water and soap, then use that water to rub out the scratches. It takes about 5 times longer to do since it has much less friction, but it leaves almost no rub marks behind and does a perfect job of getting rid of scratches.

I only have one disc that I bought brand new to see how it would affect the sound when compared to and scratched up version of the same disc. I'll do some testing on it soon to see how it works.
 
Jul 3, 2003 at 2:36 AM Post #12 of 29
I believe you, but is weird anyway, maybe this reduces the reflection (or the diffraction) of the laser bean or so, who knows, if you say that it works, I believe you, you seems to be very objective guy, and I have trusted you many times and you were right, but on this, sorry I pass, not becasue of the doubt, is just becasue of the price, 70.00 I think is an outrageous price for this bottle of "magic fluid", that maybe is what, a silicone, or alcohol, or any other very common substance, at 10 or 15, maybe I would give it a try, but at 70, no way!!!
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Jul 3, 2003 at 2:48 AM Post #13 of 29
BTW I just found this article some time ago:

Manitoba Fabello: cheap CD treatment fluid
Your wife already uses it

If you're thinking the HiFi treatment fluids are way too expensive for your system then it's time to try a cheap, available-anywhere magic spray: you have already it at home, it is the spray your wife (mother, yourself etc...) uses for cleaning wood furniture.
Since the names of these products vary from one Country to another it is quite impossible that the one I've tested, the Fabello, is available with the same name in your Country.
Just use those sprays for cleaning wood furniture that come in large spray bottles (400 ml) and cost few dollars.
No, this is not a joke but a real, serious, extensive and detailed listening test that kept my ears and my system *busy* for several afternoons. So, please, take it *seriously* as I did.

How does it works
You know how these sprays should be used: just spray a little amount of this silicone-based fluid over the CD surface, spread it with a clean soft cloth and wipe till the disc is dry and clean, exactly as you do with any conventional hifi CD treatment fluid.
These sprays for wood furniture are intensely perfumed and after having treated some discs your listening room will literally stink :)
So treat one or two CDs at a time or do this with your windows wide open (no, not the Microsoft Windows...).
How MUCH does it work
Before you start laughing out loud, please keep in mind that this listening test took me several days before getting some serious results.
These sprays work. Seriously. And if you know the basic principle and ingredients you shouldn't be surprised.
These are nothing less than silicone-based sprays that improve the optical readability of the discs, hence the sound.
It is the mid-high range that clearly (pun intended) improves: everything is *clearer* and better focused.
The increase of the overall dynamics is almost nothing though the 3D soundstaging becomes wider (laterally) and the image becomes more realistic and natural.
Like other similar devices the effect in the bass range is nothing and hence you should expect to get a more brilliant sound reproduction that, with some systems or discs, could be *too much*.
Conclusions
You already know this: TNT tests everything, from standard commercial HiFi products to cheap and clever alternatives, available anywhere at extremely low prices (the Italian section is PLENTY of listening tests of common-use devices used for fancy HiFi tweaking, we are so sorry we can't translate everything. Try using Babelfish to translate).
This listening test (long and ears-tiring :) ) proves once more that sometimes it is not necessary to spend tons of cash to improve your HiFi system, some tweaks are cheap and worth trying.
Obviously enough, the differences you've just read about are small, you shouldn't expect dramatic improvements.
Also, you need a highly-revealing system (and a long listening experience) to be able to *tell* the difference.
Plus, you need at least two identical Compact Discs: the first one to leave as is while the other one should be *treated*. Even better, do not limit the test to one disc only, try do do the same with as many discs as you can.
This is the only way to listen to the effects these fluids have on the sound of your CD playing system.

Copyright © 1997 Lucio Cadeddu - http://www.tnt-audio.com
 
Jul 3, 2003 at 3:58 AM Post #14 of 29
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Originally posted by Sovkiller
Walker Audio has developed a new product that improves the sound of CDs and the sound and picture quality of DVDs by as much as 30%.


Not twenty-five or twenty-seven, but thirty percent? Why not eighty percent?

NGF
 
Jul 3, 2003 at 4:36 AM Post #15 of 29
Alberto,

It's up to you what you spend your money on. I'm not 100% sure that this stuff is worth the money I paid for it, but can't return it from down here, so I'm stuck with it and will continue to use it. It does work, and at a cost of a mere 4-5 cents per CD or DVD don't think it's that particularly expensive.


Tanfenton,

30%?? Don't know. Maybe some tests where they measured some color saturation figures. Who knows.
 

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