Who Actually Listens to Song Lyrics?
Aug 11, 2007 at 8:07 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 34

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I go to lyrics sites only for the best (most euphonic, most beautiful (sounding) songs).

For some Radiohead songs as well. Not all Radiohead songs, mind you.
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But while listening, I usually just concentrate on the music itself and don't listen to what the heck the vocalist is saying.

Am I alone in this?
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Aug 11, 2007 at 9:37 PM Post #2 of 34
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Originally Posted by dissembled /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I go to lyrics sites only for the best (most euphonic, most beautiful (sounding) songs).

For some Radiohead songs as well. Not all Radiohead songs, mind you.
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But while listening, I usually just concentrate on the music itself and don't listen to what the heck the vocalist is saying.

Am I alone in this?
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Nope, I listen to music more than the lyrics most of the time. I am conscious of the lyrics, but I like the music the most.

The only difference would be some high-popular trance beats that I like I may sing along with in my head.
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Aug 11, 2007 at 9:47 PM Post #3 of 34
I always find this approach strange, for me lyrics are an integral part of music, because when lyrics (such as those from bands like Sunset Rubdown, Neutral Milk Hotel, Radiohead etc.) are poetic in themselves they conjure in my mind imagery that interacts with the music itself, like the emotional reaction to a powerful poem in a literary sense with the more visceral and primal feeling music gives you.

When those two things are happening at once in a song is when music is at its most powerful to me. The downside of my ears is that bad lyrics grate on me like bad musicianship, and songs with clever melodies and good sound have been ruined by, I loved a girl, boy I want her back, lets go for a ride down the booolevaaaard, I mean if thats the image that your guitar chords are trying to portray, I am just not sure I can groove along.

But yes, your approach is the same as alot of my friends, an old girlfriend didn't even really like vocals in any tracks, apart from ella fitzgerald she basically felt they all ruined the music. As is shown so many times as with the different reactions we get to different gear, the way we listen to music differs in how we mentally approach it as well as what our ears can hear.
 
Aug 11, 2007 at 10:01 PM Post #4 of 34
Thanks for the thoughtful insight! I always just found a way to use music to drown out all my thoughts and let it carry my emotions without dwelling on what was actually happening. I let the music decide how I was going to feel without letting the lyrics themselves portray my emotions.

Although, when it has to do with a girlfriend I can say that everything I just mentioned all falls apart. Every song I hear and lyrics would directly be about me and my girlfriend in my eyes. The sad songs, happy songs, love songs, hate songs, seems like they would all end up being about me.

I guess it just depends on the situation and how I'm feeling most of the time. This is why I like trance music so much, I can just listen and let it take me on a ride without having to put forth my own emotions into understanding the music or where it came from or what the artist was feeling. As long as I feel good while I'm listening to it.
 
Aug 11, 2007 at 11:17 PM Post #5 of 34
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Originally Posted by dissembled /img/forum/go_quote.gif
But while listening, I usually just concentrate on the music itself and don't listen to what the heck the vocalist is saying.

Am I alone in this?
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When I hear a vocalist, I hear:
-timbre
-tone
-melody
-articulation
-texture
-control

No words though...
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Never bothered with the stuff - concentrating on words I think is like reading poetry - and if you're just going to read poetry, read some damned poetry. Music is music, and any vocals in the music should be treated as music (in my own mind). Words certainly don't ruin the music for me though, as I treat different words simply as different sounds that affect the music - an "o" will give a different mood to a section in a song than a some other vowel will, etc., and I appreciate the words on the level of what raw sounds they make. And besides, they're also there for the people who do prefer to follow them along.

However, sometimes I will take a listen to the words or skim through the CD booklet to see what a song might mean. I'm not a big fan of the written word though.
 
Aug 11, 2007 at 11:55 PM Post #6 of 34
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I always find this approach strange, for me lyrics are an integral part of music, because when lyrics (such as those from bands like Sunset Rubdown, Neutral Milk Hotel, Radiohead etc.) are poetic in themselves they conjure in my mind imagery that interacts with the music itself, like the emotional reaction to a powerful poem in a literary sense with the more visceral and primal feeling music gives you.

When those two things are happening at once in a song is when music is at its most powerful to me. The downside of my ears is that bad lyrics grate on me like bad musicianship, and songs with clever melodies and good sound have been ruined by, I loved a girl, boy I want her back, lets go for a ride down the booolevaaaard, I mean if thats the image that your guitar chords are trying to portray, I am just not sure I can groove along.



You're definately right. I tried a few times though, but there are some words that just cannot be articulated sometimes. Not to mention most lyrics I've encountered are about relationships (Bjork's Vespertine album/Interpol/many Arcade Fire songs) and while they offer different perspectives, it's different perspectives of similar situations and it gets monotonous after a while.

Some songs (ie Radiohead) are a bit different in that they focus on mainly alienation/self-estrangement/politics) but such themes are evident in almost of their work which again for me, becomes fatiguing to listen to after a certain extent.

There are also other lyrics whose creation depends on mostly free association/abstract concepts. Trying to decipher them would just result to your own interpretation of the song, would it not? There's a solid chance that your interpretation would be vastly different from what the artist himself/herself intended.

Yes lyrics are integral to ascertaining the meaning of songs, but for me, it was the music itself that moved me the most. Who knows though? Maybe I did give up a little too soon? :'(
 
Aug 12, 2007 at 12:03 AM Post #7 of 34
it is extremely snobby to imply that lyrics don't matter at all. they are part of the music too. unfortunately, a lot of lyricists are quite uninspired. go listen to Songs: Ohia - The Magnolia Electric Co., The Mountain Goats - Tallahassee, The Microphones - Mount Eerie etc etc and tell me that you can ignore these profound lyrics. this is especially true for concept albums. Tommy by The Who is boring musically but makes up for it with the story. Quadrophenia has some of their best playing but, still, it's much better if you pay attention to the lyrics.
 
Aug 12, 2007 at 12:13 AM Post #8 of 34
Maybe if every time you listen to one of your favorite songs by an 'amazing' band like Arcade Fire, and the lyrics seem to be uninvolving, pompous, unnecessarily cryptic or merely silly, this is a consequence of the fact that your band is great at hammering out a pop tune but really doesn't have anything worth saying. Maybe they are great musicians but verbal-intellectual lamers.

-- Which, frankly, is an affliction I find is common with alterno- and post-alterno-bands. A lot of hipsters on Pitchfork who claim to be all into those profound modernist lyrics are pudknockers too and wouldn't know a good poem if it bit'em on the arse.

I'm not claiming that one must always like the lyrics, but to suggest that you only listen to the music and never pay attention to what is sung is like somebody else saying that she/he digs on the bass and mids but always ignores the treble. Really, does contemporary pop music by soulful fellers with dreads have to have treble? The Saw Doctors didn't have to have treble. Jesus Jones could do without treble. Siga Siga Sputnik was all about bass, but gave treble a miss. Couldn't they do without treble all together?

I can't think of a single line by those guys, because, I contend, they were lyric idiots. They might as well have not been singing. They might as well have donated all their combined air to another Pixies album or something swingin' by Nick Cave.

Anyhow, everybody on these forums will agree that an ear for good melody and rhythm must be inculcated over time. Surely the ability to 'read' and evaluate lyrics is also a skill that must be developed.
 
Aug 12, 2007 at 12:16 AM Post #9 of 34
Some artists definitely seem to have more to say than others, and the recent ones seem to be a bit lacking in the lyrics department (a bit of a generalization, I realize). The Bob Dylan fans here are certainly shaking their heads in disbelief at your post.
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Ignoring lyrics is unimaginable to me. I interpret the music as telling part of the story, with the lyrics usually providing much of the explanation for what you are hearing.

To me, the idea of listening to music without paying at least some attention to the lyrics is like watching movies with the volume turned off (or foreign language films without subtitles, I suppose). Yeah, I guess you could do it...but why on Earth would you?
 
Aug 12, 2007 at 12:37 AM Post #10 of 34
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it is extremely snobby to imply that lyrics don't matter at all.


Yes, my title does explicitly state that. A bit of an exaggeration, admittedly. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Aug 12, 2007 at 12:51 AM Post #11 of 34
Lyrics are important to me, but more about how they sound than what they mean. I mean, I have no clue what Thom Yorke is talking about in A Wolf At The Door, but the lyrics stick in my head in a positive way.

However, totally stupid lyrics detract from the listening experience. And I quote: "Tear a hole exquisite red, **** the rest and stab it dead." Also: "She shines in a world full of ug-li-ness."

I'm gonna get pwn'd by NIN fans.
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Aug 12, 2007 at 2:54 AM Post #13 of 34
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The downside of my ears is that bad lyrics grate on me like bad musicianship, and songs with clever melodies and good sound have been ruined by, I loved a girl, boy I want her back, lets go for a ride down the booolevaaaard, I mean if thats the image that your guitar chords are trying to portray, I am just not sure I can groove along.


Same with me. I don't always pay special attention to lyrics, though lyrics always register with me. Singers who mumble their lines are not for me (sole exception: Gordon Lightfoot). And nothing ruins a song for me as bad, nonsense lyrics.
 
Aug 12, 2007 at 3:00 AM Post #14 of 34
I started listening to music like Yanni, and moved from that to Classical music and also Japanese music without actually knowing Japanese. I guess for me, lyrics have always been one of the more unimportant parts of the song, though I still understand that they have importance.
 
Aug 12, 2007 at 3:19 AM Post #15 of 34
As I can't understand the lyrics in a lot of the music I listen to, be it because they are in a foreign language or because the screaming of the vocalist isn't conducive to comprehensibility, I typically listen to the vocalist as a separate instrument in those cases. In the cases where the lyrics are so poetic that I can't help but listen...well, those are some of my favorite songs. "Fire and Rain" by James Taylor, "Mad World" by Gary Jules, "Remembrance Ballad" by Atreyu. All these songs give me chills down my spine when I listen to them. Thats when I simply must listen to the lyrics.
 

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