Whats the HYPE with the AKG 701s

[vai-777]

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Originally Posted by Hi-Finthen /img/forum/go_quote.gif Nonsense is an inexperienced poster comparing headphones without any appreciation that any given phones potential is directly tied to that which is feeding it the signal. For the ideal potential of any phone to be revealed, this principal of thinking of amp and phone as being one, is a rudimentary prerequsit to understand. However, you are sure that is not the case therefore, further discusion as to the threads bombastic proposition is useless.

Very nice phrasing and word choice. I have noticed that people who have nothing intelligent to add to a post ( whether it be they dont know or who are just plain morons) pretty sure your in the later grouping, tend to use words and technical jargon that makes them appear to be intelligent when in fact they are merely trying to compensate for whatever deficiencies they may have.
So please you obviously have no clue and you should keep your mind elsehwere, like hooked up to a machine to make sure your not brain dead.

 

[chesebert]

I don't care for K701 either. not as velvety as HD650 and not as transparent as HF1. jack of all trades just doesn't do it for me I guess.

 

[J-Pak]

Why so upset? Let people keep what they like. I did the same and stuck with the HD650...very easy decision.

 

[vai-777]

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Originally Posted by JSTpt1022 /img/forum/go_quote.gif The k701s are not all hype (my opinion posing as fact). But, if you insist on not amping them properly, they will not sound all that great, or at least not up to their potential. Also, the k701s actually have more bass than the 650s, as shown in the frequency respone graphs from headroom. The two just present bass completely differently. IMO the 650 presents bass as a musical event, a sound, where as the 701 presents bass as from an instrument in a distinct space in the soundstage. Sometimes I prefer the 650, sometimes I prefer the 701, it depends on my mood, my ears that day, and what I'm listening to. The two are easily equal though in terms of a quality headphone listening experience.

Thats what I am hearing as well, (instrument in a distinct space in the soundstage) however the instrument seems to be unplugged from its amp as well when I am listening. There is just no bass to be found, I played many different types of music rock / pop / metal / prog / ect... and everything sounded thin and distant in the bass frequencies.

The chart at headroom has to be incorrect, its no where near the level of the hd650 in bass response.

 

[chesebert]

I have a pair and have done some extensive A/B tests between the SENN HD 600 and SENN HD650 and find the AKGs to be
1. The brightest of the bunch (those who think that the 701 and hd600 are close they arent!)
wrong! bad amp
2. Must turn volume WAY up to get to the same sound levels as the SENNS (I used a SPL from radio shack)
wrong! bad amp
3. They dont have the detail that the SENNs do, not even in the higher frequencies.
Wrong! bad amp
4. The soundstage is close but not quite there.
Wrong! bad amp
5. MIDRANGE DOES NOT EXIST ( put on a copy of HYSTERIA and see (hear) what im talking about)
Wrong! bad amp
6. They are FASTER than the SENNS.
true, but it depends. but still Wrong! bad amp
7. Makes almost everything sound as if RICK RUBIN produced it (think early SLAYER) - (BEES in a TIN CAN)
Wrong! bad amp
8. UNINVOLVING.
this is subjective.

So I have heard about the burn stuff 300 hours or so they say. And all he talk about them needing a proper amp (HEED). However I dont understand why I can plug in my SENNS ( 300ohm) into the HEADPHONE jack of my MARANTZ 5001CDP ( no I dont have an amp yet) and they sound great, but the AKG 701s sound awful?

Also do the AKG 701s even have BASS or is the set I have defective, I thought the SENN 600s were a little light/neutral on BASS, but the AKG bass seems to be non exsistant (this coming from someone who doesnt like too much BASS to begin with)

 

[vai-777]

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Originally Posted by chesebert /img/forum/go_quote.gif I don't care for K701 either. not as velvety as HD650 and not as transparent as HF1. jack of all trades just doesn't do it for me I guess.

I agree
the 650 has to be the smoothest sounding phone out there

 

[chesebert]

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Originally Posted by vai-777 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I agree

I don't think you get it. Both are class A in my book, but my preference is subjective, but your comments are objective, or so seem to me as matter of fact.

 

[Kees]

A BMW and a Mercedes will be equally useless without an engine.
Likewise headphones are useless without a proper amp. (sometimes the built-in amp in a source can be "proper" enough).

You're on the wrong track if you listen to HD650 or K701 without a good amp.
It is about as useful as sitting in a BMW or a Mercedes without an engine.

Btw: headphones are also totally useless if you don't listen. If you start to listen carefully, you will hear some interesting things.

 

[Uncle Erik]

vai-777- you really need a dedicated external headphone amp. The amps in CD players are generally designed for flyweight cans, not serious ones like these. I don't care how fancy the nameplate is on your deck, they can't drive the big headphones. Period.

What you're doing is like trying to judge how good your snow jacket is by putting it on and going outside when it's sunny and 80 degrees F. You have no idea how good the jacket is. Likewise, you have not really "heard" the K-701 yet.

AKGs are difficult to drive. Buy a real amp. They aren't cheap, but they are worth it. Just buy one, and then let us know what you think.

As an aside, I don't like to bring this sort of thing up, but please don't vary between all caps and correct capitalization. If you want to show emphasis, please use boldface or italics.

 

[Duggeh]

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Originally Posted by vai-777 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Very nice phrasing and word choice. I have noticed that people who have nothing intelligent to add to a post ( whether it be they dont know or who are just plain morons) pretty sure your in the later grouping, tend to use words and technical jargon that makes them appear to be intelligent when in fact they are merely trying to compensate for whatever deficiencies they may have. So please you obviously have no clue and you should keep your mind elsehwere, like hooked up to a machine to make sure your not brain dead.

Youre a damn troll.

 

[MaZa]

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You're on the wrong track if you listen to HD650 or K701 without a good amp. It is about as useful as sitting in a BMW or a Mercedes without an engine.

Or more like, it has engine, but both intake and exhaust sides are heavily undersized and choked.

 

[dw6928]

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Originally Posted by vai-777 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Very nice phrasing and word choice. I have noticed that people who have nothing intelligent to add to a post ( whether it be they dont know or who are just plain morons) pretty sure your in the later grouping, tend to use words and technical jargon that makes them appear to be intelligent when in fact they are merely trying to compensate for whatever deficiencies they may have. So please you obviously have no clue and you should keep your mind elsehwere, like hooked up to a machine to make sure your not brain dead.

Man is this inappropriate! Being defensive and assaultive smacks
of passive aggressive behavior which should be addressed in a different type of forum.

 

[vai-777]

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik /img/forum/go_quote.gif vai-777- you really need a dedicated external headphone amp. The amps in CD players are generally designed for flyweight cans, not serious ones like these. I don't care how fancy the nameplate is on your deck, they can't drive the big headphones. Period. What you're doing is like trying to judge how good your snow jacket is by putting it on and going outside when it's sunny and 80 degrees F. You have no idea how good the jacket is. Likewise, you have not really "heard" the K-701 yet. AKGs are difficult to drive. Buy a real amp. They aren't cheap, but they are worth it. Just buy one, and then let us know what you think. As an aside, I don't like to bring this sort of thing up, but please don't vary between all caps and correct capitalization. If you want to show emphasis, please use boldface or italics.

Im thinking a heed canamp at this point. I like the sound of my 650s throught he marantz though.

Maybee i am not understanding the term "drive" its always equated to volume but i dont listen loudly , 65 dbs at most meassure with an spl meter.
so i dont want volume I want (in akg 701 case) better sound. Imhaving a hard time believing that an amp will rectify the bass problem with the akgs, though I am ompletley satisfied with the 650s but if you say they will sound better than I guess we will see.

All I know is that if they dont sound better throught the heed Im going to get a wholebunch of nonsense about interconnects and recabling the phones.

My hearing is super sensitive so i am picking up everything on
the recording and for the bass to be as invisible as it is on the akgs something i have not encountered before in other phones, even grados.

 

[vai-777]

PS
I remember reading that sennheiser oices thier headphones so that they will sound good out of a portable or home cdp with no amp. If thats true they seem to have done a good job. Im really interested in seeing what an amp will do for the akgs and if it helps the 650s as well sobe it.

 

[F1GTR]

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Originally Posted by Duggeh /img/forum/go_quote.gif Youre a damn troll.

x9

Duggeh and Hi-Finthen have so eloquently stated exactly what I wanted to say...only more polite.

vai-777...after two years and very few posts, what has prompted you to come back to head-fi to preach to the choir in such a troll-like manner? You remind me of Palowski and the debates I had with him believing that everyone hears things the same way. Why are you trying to tell people that they aren't hearing what they're hearing?