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Aug 16, 2017 at 9:59 PM Post #4,307 of 14,074

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The Belkin Gold USB is a cheap and solid USB cable, by the way. They have many different sizes and are built well enough for long cables to work reliably (I have a 15ft cable that works just fine).

I second this. I think that everybody should have a Belkin Gold USB cable in their cable inventory for reference, diagnostic and emergency use. They are cheap, high quality, truly USB spec compliant and functionally fit into at least the bottom end of the audiophile cable market.

I have a 2M Belkin Gold USB cable in my inventory for such purposes, and I am dirt cheap. :)

J.P.
 
Aug 16, 2017 at 10:24 PM Post #4,308 of 14,074

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I second this. I think that everybody should have a Belkin Gold USB cable in their cable inventory for reference, diagnostic and emergency use. They are cheap, high quality, truly USB spec compliant and functionally fit into at least the bottom end of the audiophile cable market.

I have a 2M Belkin Gold USB cable in my inventory for such purposes, and I am dirt cheap. :)

J.P.

I hook up my system, including cables, and listen. I don't use any cable for reference, diagnostic or emergency - especially the later because I try to avoid emergencies. Is there a better USB cable than the Belkin Gold for normal everyday listening?
 
Aug 16, 2017 at 10:25 PM Post #4,309 of 14,074

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@Baldr what was the most fiddly part of the turntable to get working to your satisfaction?
 
Aug 16, 2017 at 10:49 PM Post #4,310 of 14,074

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Mike (@Baldr), a question we've been debating over on Jason's thread...

The "elephant in the room" for many audio companies in my opinion is the room itself. I.e. the listening room affects sound significantly, and physical changes or treatments within the room are not always practical for many people, so why do so few audio companies try to address it?

Therefore...
Automatic Room Correction hardware/software (aka ARC, aka RCS)

Good, bad, ass-worthy??

Ever think about this as a possible Schiit product?

I am not BALDR, but I am a Michael.
There is a huge elephant in the room wrt Automatic Room Correction and its this:

Due to the wavelength of the bass notes and the size of the actual room there will be nodes at different locations where the bass is enormously enhanced because of the waveforms summing in phase (pathlengths are the same for the direct & reflected sound - or n wavelenths different) or almost complete cancellation (out of phase). This is frequency dependent, so some notes stick out and some disappear, depending upon where you are in the room. So a room correction tool will (when it is being calibrated) see a peak or a null. It can take energy away from the peak - but this works correctly only for the position where the measurement microphone was, and the places in the room where there is some cancellation get worse.
For the frequencies where there is cancellation it can try to increase the energy at that frequency, but it will do pretty much nothing as the reflected signal is increased by the same amount, so there is just as much cancellation. That's excluding any effect on the headroom of the power amplifier - bass uses a lot of power.

I have measured my room (which is treated now - I use it for home recording) and have reasonably flat response. Some of the troughs in response are huge - like 20dB. There are files on the internet somewhere with sound files at the same level in 1Hz increments from somewhere around 30Hz up to somewhere over 100Hz. It is interesting to play them and walk around the room and hear the cancellation (or is that not hear?) and enhancement.

Anyway there can be benefits, for one listening position, but there are some things that are un-correctable.

So now, over to one (of the many) who know way more than I do (Bob Katz):
https://www.digido.com/portfolio-item/digital-room-correction/

By the way, did I mention I am a bass player. I care about the bottom end!
 
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Mike (@Baldr), a question we've been debating over on Jason's thread...

The "elephant in the room" for many audio companies in my opinion is the room itself. I.e. the listening room affects sound significantly, and physical changes or treatments within the room are not always practical for many people, so why do so few audio companies try to address it?

Therefore...
Automatic Room Correction hardware/software (aka ARC, aka RCS)

Good, bad, ass-worthy??

Ever think about this as a possible Schiit product?

Agreed on the elephant in the room is the room speaker combo, and the headphone system corollary the elephant in the system is the cans.

As stated, above, the vagaries of the room re frequency domain at the lower end and a different set of vagaries at the mid-higher end re time domain (imaging). So for speakers systems, the calibrating microphone needs to be absolute reference, meaning RFE. It still will not be able to fix the low frequency domain problems over any given set of rooms.

For cans, you need to make a head dummy and plant two RFE mics (at the ear position) to tweak your cans. What simplifies things here is that there is only one listening position.

The problems are
1. the "Real" and "Expensive" in RFE.
2. Digital equalizers lose resolution; to the extent they lose it they sound ass-worthy. So you get RFE and ass-worthy in automated systems.

If you have the patience to go to many concerts and "tweak-a-bate" your system to match the sound to the real deal, a much better solution would be a RFG analog equalizer. The problem is virtually all of them sound like hemorrhoidal ass.

There was once a product called the Cello Audio Palette which was PFG, but it cost so much they only made a dozen or so of them. For all tweakabators out there, this would be a fantastic product to be rebuilt and finessed. If it were made with a remote, it would be the ultimate in audio porn. You could tweakabate for hours on end. Probably a good product idea for the suitably talented and twisted, now that I am reminded of it.
 
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Probably this has already been asked at some point, but is there a USB Gen 5 Wyrd in the cards?
 
Aug 17, 2017 at 3:36 AM Post #4,313 of 14,074

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A new innovative turntable...
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Gotta give Walt Disney his props too.

Steamboat Willy wasn't lowbrow as all that.

And what about Fantasia?

I had my two sons of both younger than 10 watching the movie many times. They called Le Sacre du Printemps "the dinosaur music". And when I listened to that piece through my hifi set, they commented on it by mentioning which scene of the movie this or that part was.
 
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There was once a product called the Cello Audio Palette which was PFG, but it cost so much they only made a dozen or so of them. For all tweakabators out there, this would be a fantastic product to be rebuilt and finessed. If it were made with a remote, it would be the ultimate in audio porn. You could tweakabate for hours on end. Probably a good product idea for the suitably talented and twisted, now that I reminded of it.

I had a collegae who used the CAP.
The problem was he never quit fiddling the knobs.
He probably never heard a decent reproduction because of that.
OCD plastic surgeons. Tell me about them......
 
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Probably this has already been asked at some point, but is there a USB Gen 5 Wyrd in the cards?


No, not Eitr. We are referring to something like a Wyrd 2 (or is that 2 Wyrd? :)) USB to USB one port hub / reclocker / cleaner. I asked this very question right after the USB Gen 5 was announced, but that post apparently got lost in the flood. I am still curious as to the possibility of a Wyrd with the USB Gen 5 input isolation features. Perhaps the question will be seen this time. Of course, the answer might not be forthcoming because they would not want to impact sales because of people waiting for the newer model to be released before buying either one.

J.P.
 
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No, not Eitr. We are referring to something like a Wyrd 2 (or is that 2 Wyrd? :)) USB to USB one port hub / reclocker / cleaner. I asked this very question right after the USB Gen 5 was announced, but that post apparently got lost in the flood. I am still curious as to the possibility of a Wyrd with the USB Gen 5 input isolation features. Perhaps the question will be seen this time. Of course, the answer might not be forthcoming because they would not want to impact sales because of people waiting for the newer model to be released before buying either one.

J.P.

But then you will be subject to the power/noise leakage on the next USB input in the chain (on the DAC I assume?), correct? Certainly it would be less noise than going straight from the PC, but I think the point of Gen 5 is to completely isolate, and you're losing some of that isolation otherwise if you're just going back into another potentially noisy USB circuit.

That is my layman's thought on it at least. Also there are a ton of products already out there like this, one of which was mentioned...
 
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But then you will be subject to the power/noise leakage on the next USB input in the chain (on the DAC I assume?), correct? Certainly it would be less noise than going straight from the PC, but I think the point of Gen 5 is to completely isolate, and you're losing some of that isolation otherwise if you're just going back into another potentially noisy USB circuit.

That is my lamens thought on it at least. Also there are a ton of products already out there like this, one of which was mentioned...

Exactly. Elsewhere on the web, people are being advised to get an Eitr instead of a Gen 5 Upgrade card "because it will work for all your DACs in the future". But either way, the output is no longer USB, so the USB is actually isolated.

PS " Layman's " :) "lamens" sound like something that bees pollinate.
 

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