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Mar 3, 2023 at 2:18 PM Post #3,842 of 4,329
And here is the interpolation seminar. This has a few updates on previous presentations.
You make the statement that “10%
And here is the interpolation seminar. This has a few updates on previous presentations.
You make the statement that”
10% of what we see comes from the eyes, brain processing creates the rest - what we see is an illusion constructed by the brain.”

Please can you give a reference for this statement. I have studied the psychology of perception and can recall no such statement.

Do you really think that when a pilot lands a plane with you in it, 90% of what you both see is an illusion?
 
Mar 3, 2023 at 2:55 PM Post #3,843 of 4,329
You make the statement that “10%

You make the statement that”
10% of what we see comes from the eyes, brain processing creates the rest - what we see is an illusion constructed by the brain.”

Please can you give a reference for this statement. I have studied the psychology of perception and can recall no such statement.

Do you really think that when a pilot lands a plane with you in it, 90% of what you both see is an illusion?
Photons do not carry any colour attribute, so what your pilots brain sees as colour is a 100% illusion.

Also your pilot senses two slightly different images by their two eyes, but the brain combines them into one seamless image, which can be thought of as another illusion.

There are also plenty of scientists researching a model of the brain/consciousness based on the premise that 'reality' does not exist, but the brain has evolved to create a 'model' of the world that seems 'real' in order to allow organisms to survive/replicate.

There is also the example described by physicists that the wooden table top in front of you seems solid to your brain, but in fact is constructed from minute packets of energy separated by empty space - the table top is not solid at the atomic level, but the brain creates the illusion that it is.

I am sure that other posters will chip in with other examples.
 
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Mar 3, 2023 at 3:35 PM Post #3,844 of 4,329
10% of what we see comes from the eyes, brain processing creates the rest - what we see is an illusion constructed by the brain.”
The eyes can only focus or concentrate on a small area in the centre of vision, anything outside this limited area is a blur! but the eyeballs move, so we can change the centre of focus. We only detect certain colours and shapes outside the centre according to our evolution, what is considered important or dangerous! I saw it in the corner of my eye is actually true. The brain uses two small focused areas, constantly changing by eyeball scanning, into a virtual reality. I can not say we actually see 10%, but it is far far less than 100%.
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Please can you give a reference for this statement. I have studied the psychology of perception and can recall no such statement.
https://www.k-state.edu/psych/vcl/b...resolution-blur-vs-clarity-and-attention.html
Do you really think that when a pilot lands a plane with you in it, 90% of what you both see is an illusion?
Yes!
At any instant, most of what we think we see is a reconstructed virtuality.
That's what magicians use to fool us. One hand attracts your attention, while the other slips something in, right in front of your eyes!
But the eyeballs have moved on to one hand and for the other hand, blurred vision.

That was my 2pence.
I am sure if you search the web, you can get a better image of the effect. It was just to start you off.
 
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Mar 3, 2023 at 5:39 PM Post #3,845 of 4,329
Mar 3, 2023 at 11:30 PM Post #3,846 of 4,329
Photons do not carry any colour attribute, so what your pilots brain sees as colour is a 100% illusion.

Also your pilot senses two slightly different images by their two eyes, but the brain combines them into one seamless image, which can be thought of as another illusion.

There are also plenty of scientists researching a model of the brain/consciousness based on the premise that 'reality' does not exist, but the brain has evolved to create a 'model' of the world that seems 'real' in order to allow organisms to survive/replicate.

There is also the example described by physicists that the wooden table top in front of you seems solid to your brain, but in fact is constructed from minute packets of energy separated by empty space - the table top is not solid at the atomic level, but the brain creates the illusion that it is.

I am sure that other posters will chip in with other examples.

Where does the 10% come from though?

Hopefully not the same place as -300dB digital distortion is audible!

Happy to be proven wrong though

Disclaimer : I enjoy my Hugo2 very much...
 
Mar 4, 2023 at 1:06 AM Post #3,848 of 4,329
You make the statement that “10%

You make the statement that”
10% of what we see comes from the eyes, brain processing creates the rest - what we see is an illusion constructed by the brain.”

Please can you give a reference for this statement. I have studied the psychology of perception and can recall no such statement.

Do you really think that when a pilot lands a plane with you in it, 90% of what you both see is an illusion?
I don't recall where I got the 10% number but I don't think it's something I made up - but for sure what you perceive visually is not the direct output from your eyes.

Just to give you an idea of the fact that perception of vision is a manufactured construct by the brain, consider optical illusions here:

Some of the best optical illusions are when your perception flip-flops from one perception to an entirely different perception. If what we see came from the eyes, rather than a construct that the brain creates, there would be no optical illusions.
 
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Mar 4, 2023 at 2:53 AM Post #3,849 of 4,329
Mar 4, 2023 at 4:24 AM Post #3,851 of 4,329
Do you really think that when a pilot lands a plane with you in it, 90% of what you both see is an illusion?
Everything you experience is a construct of your brain - electrical signals received through the senses are combined into your own "movie" experience. We aren't experiencing reality unfiltered (we cannot see infra-red like some animals - we have blind spots in our vision - optical illusions fool us). Sound and touch arrive in the brain at different times and are corrected before we experience them. We are simply experiencing our brain's construct.

But clearly the "movie" is sufficiently detailed for the pilot to be able to land his plane.

Meditation is a great way to explore this subjectively, while neuroscience increasingly has the objective answers.
 
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Mar 4, 2023 at 5:02 AM Post #3,853 of 4,329
Everything you experience is a construct of your brain - electrical signals received through the senses are combined into your own "movie" experience. We aren't experiencing reality unfiltered (we cannot see infra-red like some animals - we have blind spots in our vision - optical illusions fool us). Sound and touch arrive in the brain at different times and are corrected before we experience them. We are simply experiencing our brain's construct.

But clearly the "movie" is sufficiently detailed for the pilot to be able to land his plane.

Meditation is a great way to explore this subjectively, while neuroscience increasingly has the objective answers.
What is watching “the movie”?
 
Mar 4, 2023 at 6:00 AM Post #3,854 of 4,329
Mar 4, 2023 at 6:08 AM Post #3,855 of 4,329
An interesting book where the author argues that we do not experience objective reality at all:

The Case Against Reality: How Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes https://amzn.eu/d/6IJBXnG

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