Was playing around with the EQ on my samsung galaxie s5, when I came across a setting that emulates a tube amp, it got me thinking...
Sep 14, 2016 at 7:06 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 6

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I was messing around with all the settings, and then I came across this tube amp emulation setting, I was very surprised when I turned it on the music seemed to become warmer and more alive and rich. It was almost as though the music were sort of thin and dark before I turned on this setting. I was wondering, how would I get this same sound from something which wasn't just an emulation? What sort of portable headphone amplifier, or pair of headphones, or DAP would be capable of producing this sort of sound, where I wouldn't have to EQ it on my phone? I am not looking for a stationary amp, although I would probably want to get some sort of tube amp for my desktop computer eventually. I am looking for a way to get that warm and rich tube amp sound for a portable setup.
 
Sep 14, 2016 at 9:59 AM Post #2 of 6
You might as well just go with the simulation. Either way the original signal will be modified, might as well use what you have that you already like than gamble on tube amps. OTL amplifiers that perform as intended (regardless of the sound modification it's tuned for) on high impedance loads are wildcards on low impedance loads (ex Little Dot MkII can make Grados sound thicker but AKGs sound more like tin cans), so unless you're using an HD600/650/800 and the like, ie everything with 250ohms and up, you might end up with the exact opposite sound out of every colorifying boombasticator you try. Might as well EQ or colorify and boombasticate at the digital level then run the signal through a clean analog handling process (ie a good, clean amp, or use a high sensitivity, not too low impedance IEM so as not to tax the audio chip on that smartphone).
 
At the same time note how OTL tube amps are actually for the better amps actual amplifiers and not much colorifying boombasticators. Their job is still primarily to amplify the signal with as little modification as possible, and if anything, they're designed to deliver a lot of voltage at high impedance. The Schiit Valhalla is a prime example of that - mostly unmolested sound on high Z headphones but rough edges in the recordings or the 3500hz and 6500hz peaks on the HD600 are slightly smoothened out, while you get as much of the "impact" at the low end that isn't really boosted but comparable to what you'd get out of a Lyr or Asgard for example.
 
Sep 14, 2016 at 10:07 AM Post #3 of 6
 
You might as well just go with the simulation. Either way the original signal will be modified, might as well use what you have that you already like than gamble on tube amps. OTL amplifiers that perform as intended (regardless of the sound modification it's tuned for) on high impedance loads are wildcards on low impedance loads (ex Little Dot MkII can make Grados sound thicker but AKGs sound more like tin cans), so unless you're using an HD600/650/800 and the like, ie everything with 250ohms and up, you might end up with the exact opposite sound out of every colorifying boombasticator you try. Might as well EQ or colorify and boombasticate at the digital level then run the signal through a clean analog handling process (ie a good, clean amp, or use a high sensitivity, not too low impedance IEM so as not to tax the audio chip on that smartphone).
 
At the same time note how OTL tube amps are actually for the better amps actual amplifiers and not much colorifying boombasticators. Their job is still primarily to amplify the signal with as little modification as possible, and if anything, they're designed to deliver a lot of voltage at high impedance. The Schiit Valhalla is a prime example of that - mostly unmolested sound on high Z headphones but rough edges in the recordings or the 3500hz and 6500hz peaks on the HD600 are slightly smoothened out, while you get as much of the "impact" at the low end that isn't really boosted but comparable to what you'd get out of a Lyr or Asgard for example.

I am using the HD650 headphones. This is a great post btw.
 
That Little Dot MK2 looks interesting, I'm not too sure about the comparisons between different tube amps, I know nothing about them.
 
Sep 14, 2016 at 11:09 AM Post #4 of 6
  I am using the HD650 headphones. This is a great post btw.

 
You were using the HD650 out of a smartphone? If it sounds "thin and dark" with it then it has a lot to do with how you're already well within distortion range of the audio chip. These chips can deliver anywhere around 5mW (most phones) to 15mW (iPad) at 32ohms. Even if it can deliver at least the same level of wattage (or fraction thereof) at 300ohms - ten times the load impedance it was designed for - there would be a lot of distortion. At the same time there wouldn't be a lot of voltage, something that high impedance headphones need more than current delivery. Even my 9v, active ground CMOY sounded absolutely boring on my HD600 when it was fine with a Grado. By contrast, desktop amps like the Meier Cantate.2 deliver enough voltage (10v I think); OTL amps like the Valhalla deliver even more than that (and hence more mW). Violectrics pump out as much as 60volts. Your smartphone battery runs only at 7.7v and while some amp circuits can produce more than what the battery does, audio chips don't work that way. Note that my iPod was hella "thin and dark" on my HD600 also, although the iPad is a heck of a lot better (if at least when the power's out, I can still listen well enough).
 
At minimum you should get something like the Pangea HP101. It's still optimized for lower impedance headphones but the HD6x0 have enough sensitivity that for the most part there won't be any issue even if some amps like the V181, Cantate.2, and of course the Valhalla would be better. It's not designed to colorify and boombasticate the sound, it's still more of an amplifier, but you avoid a lot of the distortion driving a 300ohm headphone with a 5mW, low voltage audio chip.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pangea-Audio-HP-101-Tube-Headphone-Amplifier-/261877544554?hash=item3cf91e366a:g:MmgAAOSwPZ5VSRa9

As a bonus, it works with USB OTG out of my Note3...

 
 
...plus it's compact enough I can haul it to meets easily in the camera backpack I use for hiking.

 
Sep 14, 2016 at 11:35 AM Post #5 of 6
   
You were using the HD650 out of a smartphone? If it sounds "thin and dark" with it then it has a lot to do with how you're already well within distortion range of the audio chip. These chips can deliver anywhere around 5mW (most phones) to 15mW (iPad) at 32ohms. Even if it can deliver at least the same level of wattage (or fraction thereof) at 300ohms - ten times the load impedance it was designed for - there would be a lot of distortion. At the same time there wouldn't be a lot of voltage, something that high impedance headphones need more than current delivery. Even my 9v, active ground CMOY sounded absolutely boring on my HD600 when it was fine with a Grado. By contrast, desktop amps like the Meier Cantate.2 deliver enough voltage (10v I think); OTL amps like the Valhalla deliver even more than that (and hence more mW). Violectrics pump out as much as 60volts. Your smartphone battery runs only at 7.7v and while some amp circuits can produce more than what the battery does, audio chips don't work that way. Note that my iPod was hella "thin and dark" on my HD600 also, although the iPad is a heck of a lot better (if at least when the power's out, I can still listen well enough).
 
At minimum you should get something like the Pangea HP101. It's still optimized for lower impedance headphones but the HD6x0 have enough sensitivity that for the most part there won't be any issue even if some amps like the V181, Cantate.2, and of course the Valhalla would be better. It's not designed to colorify and boombasticate the sound, it's still more of an amplifier, but you avoid a lot of the distortion driving a 300ohm headphone with a 5mW, low voltage audio chip.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pangea-Audio-HP-101-Tube-Headphone-Amplifier-/261877544554?hash=item3cf91e366a:g:MmgAAOSwPZ5VSRa9

As a bonus, it works with USB OTG out of my Note3...

 
 
...plus it's compact enough I can haul it to meets easily in the camera backpack I use for hiking.

No, I was using my denon ah mm400s out of my smart phone. I use a schiitz vali (or magni 2), and modi, for my stationary setup. I was just hoping I could get warm tube amp sounds out of a portable setup. Sorry for the confusion.
 
I'll take a look at the amp suggestion.
 
Sep 14, 2016 at 11:48 AM Post #6 of 6
  No, I was using my denon ah mm400s out of my smart phone. I use a schiitz vali (or magni 2), and modi, for my stationary setup. 


Might as well just keep using these, try running it on USB OTG. I use the Small Room simulation and EQ for Spotify, even when using the desktop set-up, primarily because I stream pop music with a lot of treble (as I don't want to use local storage for that).
 

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