Born2bwire
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Do we really need to bring all of this up? If your friend had food poisoning that was linked back to the restaurant would you still go around and tell people that it's worth eating there? Would you tell your friend that he's confused, that after the tenth food poisoning case it's still a coincidence? If your friend opens up his sandwich and asks you about the green thing grazing on the lettuce would you tell him nevermind, it still tastes fantastic?
This started over five years ago. You can still find the threads about it if you want and heck, the pictures are still up: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/ins...ml#post1013679
I look at that and cringe. Most of the components are not secured, the wiring and layout is completely haphazard, the soldering is amateur. You can still see rosin everywhere and there's even an electrical twist-cap in there. Then, in the face of this, people carry attitudes like this: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/ins...ml#post1013806
"He has enough crediability, clientelle and respect in the industry to probablly need not a dime of anyone here that doesn't seem to respect his work. Perhaps you are all right? I don't know, but atleast give the benefit of the doubt... "
That's almost word for word what I was talking about. There is more than just sound quality. Reliability and customer service are important aspects to anyone that has ever been caught on the badside of a warranty. Glossing over these problems, rationalizing them, or just dismissing them as uncredible rants of competing fanboys does a disservice to the community. It only helps the continuation of poor business practices and quality control.
nurxhunter asked why people still loved his products (sound quality and build quality) after all these years and the reason for that lies completely with the people. The extent that people carried this went far over any rational extreme. I'm not interested in bringing all this up again in specifics, I only wanted to provide nurxhunter with some context that allowed for this to happen for so long. And to me, that was because that the ridiculous behavior of people prevented valid concerns and questions being raised, discussed, and considered. Mikhail produced shoddy products, performed unsatisfactory customer service, and stole people's money. That was him, but the reason why his products remained popular for many years is something different that I cannot totally place on Mikhail. Just because somebody sells a lot of products, participates in the community, and produces amps that sound good does not mean that they should be exempt from the same scrutiny that other sellers are under. There have been many established members and merchants on Head-fi that have burned the community over the years.
This is all I'm going to say on this because this is not the thread to be discussing this any further.
| Originally Posted by PhilS /img/forum/go_quote.gif Blaming the problems on "fanboys" is just silly, IMO. And I've always marveled at the term "fanboy." Does that mean someone likes something. I like to eat at Chick-Fil-A. Am I a Chick-Fil-A "fanboy"? If I tell a friend Chick-Fil-A makes the best fast food, and he eats there and gets food poisoning, am I to blame? Mikhail did a lot of bad things. It's his fault. Blaming the problems, even in part, on people who really liked the sound of his amps (and still do) and exercised their rights on a public forum to say what they believed or experienced is just plain unwarranted, IMO (and that's putting it mildly). |
Do we really need to bring all of this up? If your friend had food poisoning that was linked back to the restaurant would you still go around and tell people that it's worth eating there? Would you tell your friend that he's confused, that after the tenth food poisoning case it's still a coincidence? If your friend opens up his sandwich and asks you about the green thing grazing on the lettuce would you tell him nevermind, it still tastes fantastic?
This started over five years ago. You can still find the threads about it if you want and heck, the pictures are still up: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/ins...ml#post1013679
I look at that and cringe. Most of the components are not secured, the wiring and layout is completely haphazard, the soldering is amateur. You can still see rosin everywhere and there's even an electrical twist-cap in there. Then, in the face of this, people carry attitudes like this: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/ins...ml#post1013806
"He has enough crediability, clientelle and respect in the industry to probablly need not a dime of anyone here that doesn't seem to respect his work. Perhaps you are all right? I don't know, but atleast give the benefit of the doubt... "
That's almost word for word what I was talking about. There is more than just sound quality. Reliability and customer service are important aspects to anyone that has ever been caught on the badside of a warranty. Glossing over these problems, rationalizing them, or just dismissing them as uncredible rants of competing fanboys does a disservice to the community. It only helps the continuation of poor business practices and quality control.
nurxhunter asked why people still loved his products (sound quality and build quality) after all these years and the reason for that lies completely with the people. The extent that people carried this went far over any rational extreme. I'm not interested in bringing all this up again in specifics, I only wanted to provide nurxhunter with some context that allowed for this to happen for so long. And to me, that was because that the ridiculous behavior of people prevented valid concerns and questions being raised, discussed, and considered. Mikhail produced shoddy products, performed unsatisfactory customer service, and stole people's money. That was him, but the reason why his products remained popular for many years is something different that I cannot totally place on Mikhail. Just because somebody sells a lot of products, participates in the community, and produces amps that sound good does not mean that they should be exempt from the same scrutiny that other sellers are under. There have been many established members and merchants on Head-fi that have burned the community over the years.
This is all I'm going to say on this because this is not the thread to be discussing this any further.
