Warm Vs. Dark, Cold Vs. Bright

Aug 12, 2004 at 4:21 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 10

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Is there a clear difference between warm & dark, cold & bright?

It seems that warm and dark are similar or at least go hand in hand (think Senn 580/600). And it seems that cold & bright are also similar or at least go hand in hand (think Sony CD-3000).

Can anyone enlighten us, please?

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Aug 12, 2004 at 5:21 PM Post #3 of 10
I consider my Dt880s warm and bright, there really isn't any coldness. If I there is a clear difference, Yes I think there is. It takes a while to notice the differences, but you will.You'll know for yourself one you've listened to a good setup, and different phones.
 
Aug 12, 2004 at 5:33 PM Post #4 of 10
warm to me is coloration. to me the grado 225 was bright, and the 325 was a cold cold fish. cold to me is the high frequencies with the coloration taken out so much that it's lifeless. my ms-1 was warm. that means the high coloration is there, but there are definitely some parts of the freq that are just absent - that's just due to the limitation of the can. the 225 gives you those highs, but it's still a bit bright. i'm looking forward to the MS-2s giving me the full upper range like the 325, but with some warmth/coloration. heck, that combo i would give a new definition - shimmering. the 225 isn't shimmering, it's a bit too hard-edged - "Grato" or "scratchy" to some.

dark is like the opposite of cold. a big black hole where the bass is present, but it doesn't "do" anything for you. sound wise i guess it would be "ZMMMMM." again, the MS-1 is warm with a bit of punch. sound wise it would be "Boom." 225s do bass great - "POW." 325 is a "BRRATT." not nice. Flabby bass like MS-1 before burn in and flats would be "PBBBTT." I'm looking forward to the MS-2 being that "POW" sound with shimmering highs...ah yes.

but the RS-1 was just great across the board. The bass was warm and punchy - "BOOM." The highs were not shimmering, but not bright either. Not sure how to explain it - it's like a clarinet in the upper registers, a pleasing organic trill. I'm guessing the MS-2 will be not as organic - it's metal after all.
The MS-pro? who knows, I never heard them, tho I'd love to.


Those are some of the expressions I would use, I hope that helps define things. But ultimately all descriptions fail in the light of listening for yourself, if you can.
 
Aug 12, 2004 at 5:43 PM Post #5 of 10
Bright: The most often misused terms in audio, these describe the degree to which reproduced sound has a hard, crisp edge to it. Brightness relates to the energy content in the 4kHz-8kHz band. It is not related to output in the extreme-high-frequency range. All live sound has brightness; it is a problem only when it is excessive.

Cold: Moderately deficient in body and warmth, due to progressive attenuation of frequencies below about 150Hz. Having somewhat excessive upper-range output and weak lower-range output.

Dark: A warm, mellow, excessively rich quality in reproduced sound. The audible effect of a frequency response which is clockwise-tilted across the entire range, so that output diminishes with increasing frequency

Warm:The same as dark, but less tilted. A certain amount of warmth is a normal part of musical sound.

Courtesy of Stereophile
 
Aug 12, 2004 at 5:47 PM Post #6 of 10
Huh! Wow I was right on the mark except that I co-opted "warm" to mean "colored" in my case. Cool.
 
Aug 12, 2004 at 7:15 PM Post #8 of 10
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jahn
sound wise i guess it would be "ZMMMMM." again, the MS-1 is warm with a bit of punch. sound wise it would be "Boom." 225s do bass great - "POW." 325 is a "BRRATT." not nice. Flabby bass like MS-1 before burn in and flats would be "PBBBTT." I'm looking forward to the MS-2 being that "POW" sound with shimmering highs...ah yes.

but the RS-1 was just great across the board. The bass was warm and punchy - "BOOM."



LOL. Thanks for your descriptions!
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Can I use the above quote in my sig???
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Aug 12, 2004 at 7:36 PM Post #9 of 10
lol be my guest!
 
Aug 12, 2004 at 7:54 PM Post #10 of 10
Thanks
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