[minivan]

currently using the coaxial output of my cheap dvd player to feed my zhaolu d3, i set the frequency output of the dvd player at 96hz. i am looking for a cd player
to replace my dvd player. i only care about the coaxial output of the cd player, dont care about the dac section, since i consider getting a better dac then zhaolu in the future. features i am looking for in this CDPis:good quality coaxial output with minimum jitter, ability to upsample to at least 96hz,not too big in size. dont want to spend too much on the CDP,some thing like $50-300 would be sensible. i think some of the CDP cost heaps is because of their built in delicate dac? any1 got any suggestion on this? or is my cheap dvd player as a transport is good enough?

 

[hciman77]

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Originally Posted by minivan /img/forum/go_quote.gif currently using the coaxial output of my cheap dvd player to feed my zhaolu d3, i set the frequency output of the dvd player at 96hz. i am looking for a cd player to replace my dvd player. i only care about the coaxial output of the cd player, dont care about the dac section, since i consider getting a better dac then zhaolu in the future. features i am looking for in this CDPis:good quality coaxial output with minimum jitter, ability to upsample to at least 96hz,not too big in size. dont want to spend too much on the CDP,some thing like $50-300 would be sensible. i think some of the CDP cost heaps is because of their built in delicate dac? any1 got any suggestion on this? or is my cheap dvd player as a transport is good enough?

A redbook CD is 16/44.1 - as far as I know there is no real advantage in upsampling this to 96khz which is not a natural multiplier of 44.1. Any added info is pure guesswork you cannot extract more than 16 bits from a standard CD. Having said that my cheap DVD player outputs at 48K into my Entech and sounds identical to my CD player outputting at 44.1 so it probably doesnt do any harm either.

A transport just has to output all the bits from the CD correctly in the right order with minimal timing variations almost any transport will do this, this is by now relatively trivial. I find my $60 DVD player does this as well as my $300 or $500 CD players. I really would not worry too much about jitter , it has to be massive (several 10s of nanoseconds) before it is detected.

 

[minivan]

ok, thanks for the advise, look like i can save some money on other stuff like can, amp instead

i dont understand why they have this 48k and 96k things exist? why can't they just have 44.1? my dvd player menu only allow me to choose 48k or 96k, i choose 96k, because the spec of my zhaolu said it can take 24bit/96k. also the dvd player allow me to choose Lt/Rt, stereo, 5.1, obviously i did not choose 5.1, but i was confused about which one to choose, lt/rt or stereo.

 

[neergan1216]

Since you already have great headphones, a giant-killer system is a Pioneer DV-525 (modded) with a Marantz 1060 integrated amp. The whole thing should run approx. $300. You will sell the DAC.

 

[hciman77]

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Originally Posted by minivan /img/forum/go_quote.gif ok, thanks for the advise, look like i can save some money on other stuff like can, amp instead i dont understand why they have this 48k and 96k things exist? why can't they just have 44.1? my dvd player menu only allow me to choose 48k or 96k, i choose 96k, because the spec of my zhaolu said it can take 24bit/96k. also the dvd player allow me to choose Lt/Rt, stereo, 5.1, obviously i did not choose 5.1, but i was confused about which one to choose, lt/rt or stereo.

The 96 is a DVD standards not a CD standard. Here is one take on it, I profer no opinion on this article one way or another but here it is....

http://stereophile.com/asweseeit/397awsi/

Here is some heated debate about 48/96 16/24 and so on.....

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...howtopic=40134

 

[kool bubba ice]

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Originally Posted by minivan /img/forum/go_quote.gif ok, thanks for the advise, look like i can save some money on other stuff like can, amp instead i dont understand why they have this 48k and 96k things exist? why can't they just have 44.1? my dvd player menu only allow me to choose 48k or 96k, i choose 96k, because the spec of my zhaolu said it can take 24bit/96k. also the dvd player allow me to choose Lt/Rt, stereo, 5.1, obviously i did not choose 5.1, but i was confused about which one to choose, lt/rt or stereo.

The Sony 595 & Sony s7700 can be had for well under 200.00 & have been wonderful with my DAC1..

 

[kool bubba ice]

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Originally Posted by hciman77 /img/forum/go_quote.gif A redbook CD is 16/44.1 - as far as I know there is no real advantage in upsampling this to 96khz which is not a natural multiplier of 44.1. Any added info is pure guesswork you cannot extract more than 16 bits from a standard CD. Having said that my cheap DVD player outputs at 48K into my Entech and sounds identical to my CD player outputting at 44.1 so it probably doesnt do any harm either. A transport just has to output all the bits from the CD correctly in the right order with minimal timing variations almost any transport will do this, this is by now relatively trivial. I find my $60 DVD player does this as well as my $300 or $500 CD players. I really would not worry too much about jitter , it has to be massive (several 10s of nanoseconds) before it is detected.

Jitter is debatable.. A lot of people feel that jitter can be a problem..

 

[Mr_Sukebe]

I used to run a DAC on the backend of a Pioneer 575a DVD player. Have to say that it sounded fine and was capable of matching the Naim CD5i that I'd been using.

To upgrade from the DVD player, I ended up going with a dedicated Meridian 500 transport. Yes it was better, but not enourmously so. I felt that it was worth the dosh as mine was s/h. I certainly wouldn't have paid the $2500 that it would have cost new. The other things that did improve the performance of the 500 was a new power cable (promise I'm not joking) and a replacement clock. I found that a low jitter clock really did make an improvement. From a cost effective perspective, a cheap clock upgrade to your DVD player would probably be the most effective way to do things.