Wagner, recommendations
Jul 3, 2007 at 3:12 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 16

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My wife has broadened my opera experience via a 100 Best Opera Classics set and I've fallen for Wagner's work. Will you guys please turn me on to some great works on either vinyl or CS/SACD. These CD's are teasers and they have wetted my appetite. Thanks!
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Jul 3, 2007 at 5:40 AM Post #5 of 16
I'll give you my up-to-date recommendations first, and then some comments.

Der fliegende Holländer
Klemperer (EMI 1967) or Böhm (DG 1971).

Tannhäuser
Sinopoli (DGG 1988) or Gerdes (DGG 1969)

Lohengrin
Kempe (EMI 1963)

Tristan und Isolde
Kleiber (DGG 1982) or Furtwängler (EMI 1952)

Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
Von Karajan (EMI 1970)

Der Ring des Nibelungen
Solti (Decca 1958-1965) or Keilberth (Testament 1955)

Parsifal
Knappertsbusch (Philips 1962) or Kubelík (DGG/Arts Archive 1980)

So, there are my current recommendations. However, Wagner's oeuvre is so massive and so diverse that I'd caution against approaching it all at once. I'd recommend "best of" or "bleeding chunks" CDs at first. It's a good way to hear a good cross-section of Wagner or just the Ring. Pick something like Tristan or Holländer, if you decide to jump in, work your way through the earlier stuff and Meistersinger, then the Ring and Parsifal. It bears noting that there are a lot (no, a lot) of Wagner interpretations on disc. Some are very faithful to Wagner's intentions, style, and music - read: conservative - and others have their own styles. You should sample and find the style you like the most. It helps getting grounded in the "classical" recordings, but you'll want more than that as time goes by. Wagner, too, wrote his "operas" as music-dramas, so you should get a good standalone libretto and familiarize yourself with the story and the action. Otherwise, you're missing half the fun.

Welcome to Wagner. There's no sense mourning your wallet now. It's too late.
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Jul 3, 2007 at 9:40 AM Post #6 of 16
Checkout the Sheffield Labs Wagner Album if you can find it (Leinsdorf).
 
Jul 3, 2007 at 11:19 AM Post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by PSmith08 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I'll give you my up-to-date recommendations first, and then some comments.

Der fliegende Holländer
Klemperer (EMI 1967) or Böhm (DG 1971).

Tannhäuser
Sinopoli (DGG 1988) or Gerdes (DGG 1969)

Lohengrin
Kempe (EMI 1963)

Tristan und Isolde
Kleiber (DGG 1982) or Furtwängler (EMI 1952)

Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
Von Karajan (EMI 1970)

Der Ring des Nibelungen
Solti (Decca 1958-1965) or Keilberth (Testament 1955)

Parsifal
Knappertsbusch (Philips 1962) or Kubelík (DGG/Arts Archive 1980)

So, there are my current recommendations. However, Wagner's oeuvre is so massive and so diverse that I'd caution against approaching it all at once. I'd recommend "best of" or "bleeding chunks" CDs at first. It's a good way to hear a good cross-section of Wagner or just the Ring. Pick something like Tristan or Holländer, if you decide to jump in, work your way through the earlier stuff and Meistersinger, then the Ring and Parsifal. It bears noting that there are a lot (no, a lot) of Wagner interpretations on disc. Some are very faithful to Wagner's intentions, style, and music - read: conservative - and others have their own styles. You should sample and find the style you like the most. It helps getting grounded in the "classical" recordings, but you'll want more than that as time goes by. Wagner, too, wrote his "operas" as music-dramas, so you should get a good standalone libretto and familiarize yourself with the story and the action. Otherwise, you're missing half the fun.

Welcome to Wagner. There's no sense mourning your wallet now. It's too late.
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Thank you very much. I'm looking forward to the ride but my wallet is still recovering from the recent vinyl rig. This is going to take a while
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Jul 3, 2007 at 2:54 PM Post #8 of 16
My recommendation to enjoy Wagner, DO NOT get a cross opera thing. Except one cd of overtures maybe. If you take a cross type cd, you miss the story, the progression.

Take One opera , I would recommend the first of The Ring, Das Rheingold. Then listen to it while following on the booklet (take one of the recommended interpretation). The manage to get a dvd/video (I like the Boulez/Chereau even if not traditionnal) and watch it. Then get back to your recording and listen to it again.

I personnally thing that this is the best way to 'get into it', if you want to get into the wagner opera.

Lionel
 
Jul 3, 2007 at 4:22 PM Post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by PSmith08 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I'll give you my up-to-date recommendations first, and then some comments.

Der fliegende Holländer
Klemperer (EMI 1967) or Böhm (DG 1971).

Tannhäuser
Sinopoli (DGG 1988) or Gerdes (DGG 1969)

Lohengrin
Kempe (EMI 1963)

Tristan und Isolde
Kleiber (DGG 1982) or Furtwängler (EMI 1952)

Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
Von Karajan (EMI 1970)

Der Ring des Nibelungen
Solti (Decca 1958-1965) or Keilberth (Testament 1955)

Parsifal
Knappertsbusch (Philips 1962) or Kubelík (DGG/Arts Archive 1980)



I'll second all of those (except I like Nelsson on Philips better than either of your Fliegende Hollander choices...)

See ya
Steve
 
Jul 3, 2007 at 5:09 PM Post #10 of 16
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I'll second all of those (except I like Nelsson on Philips better than either of your Fliegende Hollander choices...)

See ya
Steve



Well, the drawback to Nelsson today is that the performance is on DVD and directed by Harry Kupfer, who takes - shall we say - a non-literal interpretation to the Bayreuth stage. Wagner neophytes should stay as far away as possible from Chéreau and Kupfer, lest they think that's the only way to stage Wagner. Worse yet, that they think that's the "right" way to stage Wagner. Those are brilliant stagings, but only once you "get" Wagner (insofar as that's ever possible) and see what the directors are trying to do. Better to stick with recordings and then, once the music and drama become familiar, wade into the various productions.
 
Jul 3, 2007 at 11:16 PM Post #11 of 16
The only direct recommendation I will make is to, if at all possible, attend a Wagner opera in your area. I'm lucky being near Chicago as the Lyric has done much Wagner over the last 15 years or so. I've been lucky enough to see the complete Ring twice as well as Parsifal.

Attending draws you into the music and drama like nothing else. And the cost is not bad if you can accept balcony seats. My wife and I actually prefer them now as the sound seems so much better.

Follow these wise folks' suggestions of recordings, but if at all possible do yourself the favor of seeing Wagner performed live. You won't regret it.

A_Sr.
 
Jul 4, 2007 at 12:05 AM Post #12 of 16
Thank you, all of you. My wife emailed me back today and laughed that I would catch on to Wagner. She had to grow up with it in the house and was surprised that it would move me as it does. Thank you for the recommendations though my wallet does not
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Jul 4, 2007 at 6:17 PM Post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by PSmith08 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well, the drawback to Nelsson today is that the performance is on DVD and directed by Harry Kupfer, who takes - shall we say - a non-literal interpretation to the Bayreuth stage. Wagner neophytes should stay as far away as possible from Chéreau and Kupfer, lest they think that's the only way to stage Wagner.


I would recommend the Boulez Ring DVDs as a great introduction to Wagner's biggest work. It's actual genuine full fledged acting and performance, not dusty old fake beards and cardboard rocks. The only way to stage Wagner is expressively, and Chereau works well at that.

I haven't seen the Nelsson DVD, but the conducting is great.

See ya
Steve
 
Jul 9, 2007 at 6:10 PM Post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by PSmith08 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well, the drawback to Nelsson today is that the performance is on DVD and directed by Harry Kupfer, who takes - shall we say - a non-literal interpretation to the Bayreuth stage. Wagner neophytes should stay as far away as possible from Chéreau and Kupfer, lest they think that's the only way to stage Wagner. Worse yet, that they think that's the "right" way to stage Wagner. Those are brilliant stagings, but only once you "get" Wagner (insofar as that's ever possible) and see what the directors are trying to do. Better to stick with recordings and then, once the music and drama become familiar, wade into the various productions.


I am afraid I have to disagree with one of our top Wagnerites: the best way to approach any opera (and Wagner's in particular, remember his concept of the Gesamtkunstwerk) is to see it at the opera house first. If this is unpractical, a DVD is the next best thing.
Grab this deal on Barenboim/Kupfer Siegried on DVD ($13.41!)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...4004455&sr=8-8
and see how do you like it...
 
Jul 9, 2007 at 6:27 PM Post #15 of 16

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