kwkarth
Electronics guys... we have our plusses and minuses. With advent of digital everything, we're being phased out
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That Denon is beautiful!
Originally Posted by Black Stuart /img/forum/go_quote.gif Skylab, 'better than a Rega' - I should bl#~dy hope so. The ball bearing used in the old Rega 3 was totally crap. For all those that don't know - ball bearings come in different grades. It was inexcusable for Rega not to use grade 1 or 2 bearings. The first time I changed mine circa 1984 and put it on a piece of glass - it rolled around like a drunk. As a formerly keen cyclist I would'nt have let a piece of crap like that anywhere near my cycles. |
Originally Posted by Black Stuart /img/forum/go_quote.gif What happens when unwanted energy encounters sorbothane, supposedly it is dissipated as heat within that soft structure but is it. does this energy not cause the sorbothane to wobble as it dissipates this energy. This equates as blurring to me - the very thing I want to avoid if I wish to retain detail in playback. Floor driven vibration is best handled I feel by siting the system on a massive structure as I intend to do using 30mm stone shelving - I don't think anyone disaggrees with that. |
Originally Posted by Black Stuart /img/forum/go_quote.gif What happens when a modern low mass arm encounters a warp - it's going to 'kick up' far more than my type of arm, simply because there is less mass at the fulcrum point - what goes up must come down - the heavier c/weight will re-act far more because there is not the mass at the fulcrum point to stop that energy travelling back down the arm to the stylus, if the headshell was de-coupled from the arm it could not then re-enter the cartridge and then onto the stylus, I wonder if any of those companies that make low mass arms have ever made an experimental model to test this point. The SME type skeleton headshell for me is a complete joke, that's why it used to be advocated to cut off the finger lift because it literally vibrates and where does that vibration go, thta's right straight back to the stylus. |
Originally Posted by Black Stuart /img/forum/go_quote.gif You mention a metronome effect with DDs again I can't relate to that at all. There is nothing mechanical about what I hear from my DD. I repeat that the function of any TT is to revolve the platter at a precise speed to enable the arm/cartridge to accurately resolve what is on the LP. World Audio Designs has been defunct for a couple of years memepool it's World Designs now and I feel that the relationship between Noel Keywood (HFW) and Peter Comeau (WD)effects what Hi-Fi World says about certain things. It shocked a lot of people when Noel did a complete demolition job on DDs against a Garrard 301. He had a couple of defunct DDs which I had never heard of. He got one working and set it up on a couple of pieces of 2 x 2 wood and then pitched it against a properly plinthed 301- that really was so stupid and he lost a lot of credibility in the process. |
Originally Posted by fewtch /img/forum/go_quote.gif It depends greatly both on the specific model of the vintage table, and the condition it's in (or can be restored to). The typical vintage table doesn't stack up well to the really higher end modern stuff (there are exceptions) but will oftentimes stack up well to entry-level-to-mid-level modern stuff. Anyway... it can vary drastically depending on factors too numerous to mention. I'd recommend not even considering a vintage table unless you're willing to learn about restoration and you consider that sort of stuff to be an adventure rather than a chore. Or unless you're really poor like myself and come across an offer you can't refuse But it really depends on you! You could end up having a lot of fun, or wishing to god you'd just gone the easier, softer way. |
Originally Posted by DC Lee /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sound wise the modern turntables are no where as good as the vintage ones that were considered to be good. The new ones are mainly built to be nice looking. A VPI can't outperform the Technics SL1200 if you fit the same arm and cartridge on both of them. The often quoted Rega is in fact a budget make. |
Originally Posted by DC Lee /img/forum/go_quote.gif In the days of their popularity when vinyl was king... |
Originally Posted by Audiofiler /img/forum/go_quote.gif I have owned a Thorens 124s and recently compared it to my Aries 3 w/ 10.5i tonearm and there was little doubt that the VPI bests the Thorens by more than a fair margin. I sold the 124s, (which is one of Thorens' best made) and kept the Thorens 160 Super I have for a second TT. I too have owned 3 1200's before and one with a highend SME tonearm utilizing a Benz reference P cart for A/B'g, this is a nice DJ TT although not on par with a properly setup VPI TT in my opinion. |
Originally Posted by DC Lee /img/forum/go_quote.gif The SME 3009S2 lived off the aura of the SME name but was the sick child in the family. A mere 18 months ago one could acquire one for less than £100 through eBay. I can imagine the grin on the faces of all those S2 owners who for so long have been searching for an outlet to dispose of so truly a poorly performing piece of bent metal. The S2 on a 1200 would perform no better than the original Technics arm. Even the budget Rega 200 or 250 would be a major upgrade. |
Originally Posted by memepool /img/forum/go_quote.gif You don't say though whether you tried the same tonearm and cart on these TT's which is really the only fair way to do it. For instance you mention the SME arm on the Technics which I'd imagine was a 3009 S2? well this is a pretty dated design although it has lots of fans and it sounds really good on some types of music it's pretty poor on others. Certainly it sounds completely different to any unipivot arm which is what you find on most VPI decks or indeed a more recent SME. |
Originally Posted by memepool /img/forum/go_quote.gif For instance a lightweight wobbly supsended subchassis deck like the older Linn LP12 or Thorens TD160, to my ear has an amazing ability to make drumming sound very dynamic and gives it a 'live feel' whether or not it is actually a live drummer playing. Although I marvel at it I find this colouration a little annoying when listening to programmed drum machines as they arn't meant to sound like this. |
Originally Posted by DC Lee /img/forum/go_quote.gif The SME 3009S2 lived off the aura of the SME name but was the sick child in the family. A mere 18 months ago one could acquire one for less than £100 through eBay. I can imagine the grin on the faces of all those S2 owners who for so long have been searching for an outlet to dispose of so truly a poorly performing piece of bent metal. The S2 on a 1200 would perform no better than the original Technics arm. . |
Originally Posted by DC Lee /img/forum/go_quote.gif The VPI falls well short in performance when subjected to air and floor borne vibrations. Discolouration of complex musical passages are very obvious without much concentration. The VPI requires something close to a granite base and not too bass heavy speakers in order to remain in control of the music. |
Originally Posted by Audiofiler /img/forum/go_quote.gif SME V was utilized |