[JayG]

Hi all,

In quite a few old threads discussing Sony's SA5000, allusions have been made to some frequency response charts posted on Head-Fi, but all of the links to said charts point to irrelevant threads. I assume the indexing got screwed up in the major forum crash a while back. Does anyone still have those charts or know how to locate the correct archived posts? I have searched and searched and been unable to turn them up.

Thanks a lot.

 

[hawat]

this guy post many reviews of cans including their response chart. The sa5000 is in there too.
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[btbluesky]

I knew it! No mid recess. In fact, whats that little hill on 2500?!

 

[hawat]

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Originally Posted by btbluesky /img/forum/go_quote.gif I knew it! No mid recess. In fact, whats that little hill on 2500?!

Those are highs at 2500-3000, I think

That might be part of the reason why many people think that the sa5000 are bright.

 

[btbluesky]

Exactly, the upper limit for strings are around there.

 

[b0dhi]

Theres about 1000Hz missing between 6-7Khz. That's where much of the "snappiness" of drums is, and also where a lot of the "brightness" of a headphone is. There should be a slight hill there, not a huge trough.

 

[LnxPrgr3]

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Originally Posted by btbluesky /img/forum/go_quote.gif I knew it! No mid recess.

Lower mids look from that graph like they could sound a bit recessed. For a wide dip like that, it doesn't take much depth for it to be audible.

 

[Herandu]

I don't have faith in that graph. The SA5000 are open headphones. If you use a conventional headphone measuring technique to plot that graph, you are going to get a mixture of played back sound and the openness of the headphones combining to exhibit that response.

 

[hawat]

Wouldn't your ear hear almost the same thing as a mic placed in the same spot anyway?

 

[Herandu]

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Originally Posted by hawat /img/forum/go_quote.gif Wouldn't your ear hear almost the same thing as a mic placed in the same spot anyway?

Not in this case. The SA5000, like the MDR-F1, are designed for a different pattern of sound distribution that relies on sound reaching both ears. This creates a completely different musical perception compared to a standard closed or open stereo headphone. In consequence, a two dimensional graph displaying a stereo frequency response pattern won't cover the way that the likes of the SA5000 operate within the audio frequency spectrum.

 

[btbluesky]

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Originally Posted by Herandu /img/forum/go_quote.gif Not in this case. The SA5000, like the MDR-F1, are designed for a different pattern of sound distribution that relies on sound reaching both ears. This creates a completely different musical perception compared to a standard closed or open stereo headphone. In consequence, a two dimensional graph displaying a stereo frequency response pattern won't cover the way that the likes of the SA5000 operate within the audio frequency spectrum.

I admit I'm lost. Do they have a word for this scenario? I mean if they put the mic right between the two driver, wouldn't that be the same?

 

[b0dhi]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herandu /img/forum/go_quote.gif Not in this case. The SA5000, like the MDR-F1, are designed for a different pattern of sound distribution that relies on sound reaching both ears. This creates a completely different musical perception compared to a standard closed or open stereo headphone. In consequence, a two dimensional graph displaying a stereo frequency response pattern won't cover the way that the likes of the SA5000 operate within the audio frequency spectrum.

I guarantee you if you play back music on only one side of the SA5000/MDR-F1 you will hear practically nothing on the other side. These headphones are designed to reflect more of the sound off the outer ear to create a more natural soundstage, but not the opposite ear.

 

[Caribou679]

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Originally Posted by b0dhi /img/forum/go_quote.gif I guarantee you if you play back music on only one side of the SA5000/MDR-F1 you will hear practically nothing on the other side. These headphones are designed to reflect more of the sound off the outer ear to create a more natural soundstage, but not the opposite ear.

Can you clarify this point as I do not understand something?
Using the MDR-F1 and the MDR-V6 I panned from 20 to -20 using a Cowon D2( pan is basically a balance function) and on both headphone I hear practically nothing on the other side. How is this specific to the SA5000/MDR-F1?

The MDR-F1 "speakers"/drivers are about in a 30 degrees slant to the ear and have really no earcups.

regards,

 

[b0dhi]

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Originally Posted by Caribou679 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Can you clarify this point as I do not understand something? Using the MDR-F1 and the MDR-V6 I panned from 20 to -20 using a Cowon D2( pan is basically a balance function) and on both headphone I hear practically nothing on the other side. How is this specific to the SA5000/MDR-F1? The MDR-F1 "speakers"/drivers are about in a 30 degrees slant to the ear and have really no earcups. regards,

I just meant that the sound coming from one side of the headphone will not reach (audibly) to the opposite side's ear. No doubt the F1 has great soundstage, but it's not due to that reason.

 

[Caribou679]

I get it!
Thanks!


regards,