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  1. sejsel
    Not really, since the matter would become a legal matter and everything would have to be proven and well conceived case against these con artists.
    They have known that from the start and made the arrangements to make it as difficult as possible.

    There were defiant and border line vulgar posts from the Bob himself (at least one) on fb, regarding what people have been writing about this, before he removed that very fb account.

    That is also one pointer shedding some additional light on the whole matter.
  2. Karendar
    Piece of advice in return: Instead of talking for everyone here, in everyone's name, maybe you should think that this is basically your view. You're allowed to have it, you're allowed to be biased as well. If you feel what I say is irrelevant, let me direct you towards the ignore function. In the meantime, HBB decided to stir the pot and resurface discussions, I've been involved in this for a while as well, until I'm told by someone that matters (i.e.: Not you) to stop talking, I will. In the meantime, you should take your own advice.
  3. Karendar
    It could be easy to set up a lawsuit just on the vendor side. Some audio stores were shipped PM6's with two DD's instead of the DD+BA combo they were promised. On THAT front I'm surprised nothing has been done.

    As for building proof, some people did document themselves, but it's hard to gather anything when everyone does it individually, I agree. But it could have been done, I'm surprised it hasn't.
  4. sejsel
    No, you should take your own. You have stirred the pot here, completely uncalled for, and have been stirring it (in no uncertain manner and in completely opposite directions, however and whenever it has suited you) for a long time.

    Do not even try to reduce what I have written to "only my opinion", because that it openly insulting, disgusting, and outright nonsense on your behalf.

    What I have written, on the contrary to your claims here about it, is way far from "only my opinion". That is blatantly obvious, and makes your replies even more inaccurate to the matter here, and incorrect. You can't just throw around whatever suits you for the moment, completely disregard how it corresponds to the reality and then put it just under the category of the "opinion" that has any validity or credibility. That is sheer and pure BS and demagogy.

    Take also your own advice about "hitting the ignore function".

    It wouldn't surprise me if you end up on the receiving end of such from some folks here.
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2019
  5. Karendar
    No worries if people hit ignore. It's less argumentation with emotional people. In the meantime, I can deal with your venom just fine, but I'll let you have the moral high ground if you want it. :) Keep on being the speaker "of the people".
  6. sejsel
    You should perhaps then arrange a meet with the Bob so that he can show to you and all of us how he designs and builds his in-ears. Especially since there are claims that he does not do none of that, but does take credit for it. The vendor does it, and under the contract clause - to his share of the profit, in exchange for not being in the front.

    Then again, since the vendor got most likely (as well as some retailers most certainly, one of them for 10 000 £ - this is said to be existing in written form) screwed as well, well, that could account for all the IEMs promised, but never delivered, or delivered with innards heavily reduced and/or completely different than advertised.
  7. sejsel
    Yeah, keep on being the speaker of your own. You have been that only, from the start.

    We are all emotional, how someone chooses to package and disguise that, and his own (character), and yet it still does come through (with flying colors) is very evident in your post, quoted here.
  8. Karendar
    Not sure we're talking about the same thing here. I read that some retailers (Not vendors, poor choice of words I guess), I believe AdvancedMP3Players, got some PM6's they had on order and opened the shells to see they were missing drivers. This is a breach of contract? Not sure if lawsuits were issued, but by then, Bob was already gone. So who do they sue? Trinity? Joe Watts? That's what I was talking about
  9. Karendar
    Oh semantics. Aren't they nice. :p
  10. sejsel
    No, and that is the part you either misunderstand, do not know about or choose to disregard.
    It is both vendor and the retailers, it is not poor choice of words, and it was not put there without reason or without background info.

    The point of the "hell" being raised at fb and even here is not that. The point was that all the people mentioned were and are at it, coordinated and premeditated from the beginning, and the way of operating the scheme was to finance the next venture with the previous (eventually) failed one, the pattern there is visible and more than obvious.

    About the legal matters - that are the matters of legal technicalities and details, as well as the will of the people - vendor, retailers and end customers who might be able to pull it off.
    Perhaps even better of more suitable not to go into the detail here about legal matters.
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2019
  11. sejsel
    Indeed. As well as not seeing oneself in all of it. With or without compulsory smilies at the end of each post.
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2019
  12. Karendar
    Ok, I'll chalk it up to language barrier, as we're clearly not understanding eachother. No worries.
  13. sejsel
    Ok, to clear the matters here:

    "A vendor, or a supplier, is a supply chain management term that means anyone who provides goods or services to another entity. Vendors may sell B2B (business-to-business; i.e., to other companies), B2C (business to consumers), or B2G (business to government). Some vendors manufacture inventoriable items and then sell those items to customers, while other vendors offer services or experiences."

    So - by mentioning the "vendor", I have meant manufacturer, since this manufacturer, and on top of that, the original designer of Bob's IEMs was not vendor as in bold part of the quote from Wiki, since he (the guy doing the desing and prototyping eventually put into production) was never the seller in any meaning, but only took care of designing and manufacturing part.
    Mea culpa, at least this time.
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2019
  14. mbwilson111
    I am so confused.
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  15. sejsel
    Would you please be kind and enlighten with who stands behind - above 90% (if not all) of the tags given in this thread, at the top of the each page here ?

    We could perhaps then share a thought or two about "emotional people" ? :D
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2019
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