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  1. Intensecure
    I'm surprised to see that. Back in 2014, when Rockjaw were being pumped up on this site, the business was apparently booming! An article in the UK Telegraph said this: "From a standing start in August 2012, Rock Jaw is on target to turn over £6.1m next year."
    Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance...3/Big-in-Japan-Derbyshire-designed-headphones
    I remember a similar article in a local Derby paper which gave an even higher figure for Rockjaw's profits. They were touted as a UK success story. I always assumed that it had made young Joe Watts a rich man (and allowed him to fund his friend Bob in his new venture :wink:).
    I looked at that thread on Kickstarter, and it is awful to see how people have been treated, waiting a year for a refund that was confirmed! Earlier in the thread, Joe writes that project funds are ring-fenced in a separate account, then writes that because sales are slow there is no money to pay refunds!
    Also very interesting that Ms Timms appears in the story again, I don't know what to make of that.
  2. Numpsy
    May be entirely unrelated, but I recently got a mail from Rock Jaw punting a new wireless iem (Bluetooth Alfa genus I think it was), first new thing from them for a while I think?
  3. Watermelon Boi
    RockJaw was way too quite forever.. prob not this time, though wish RockJaw releases some premium gears soon.

    Trinity on the other hand was always rushing out new products like crazy which I think is the reason why they're screwed now.
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  4. bjaardker
    You realize that RockJaw and Trinity were basically the same company right? The reason RockJaw stopped releasing things was because they were having success with the Trinity name.

    I mean the Trinity Phoenix is the exact same headphone that Watts is giving refunds for via RockJaw.
  5. Watermelon Boi
    Wait, they aren't separate companies? I thought Trinity derived from RockJaw as Bob left RockJaw.

    This Rockjaw-Trinity-IMR relationship is way too complicated. :/
  6. Karendar
    I stopped trying to understand the structure long ago.
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  7. bjaardker
    Technically different companies. But how different are they really when they're owned by the exact same people, and using designs originally created for one company then sold by the other.

    Once it came out that Marie Timms was Bob's wife (or mom?) any separation between the companies disappeared IMHO..
  8. Tommy C
    Bob claimed RockJaw let him start his own
    Most likely wife, they are roughly the same age.

  9. BeatMy808s
    Sorry, not read whole thread. But reading the past few pages, it now makes perfect sense why Bob goes by the name Bob James.
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  10. Karendar
    Makes you wonder what they've all got to hide. Must be a british thing. Stupid spy movies. :p
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  11. Watermelon Boi
    All this time I thought Bob was his real name lol

    Just the fact that they are family or closely related to each other couldn't possibly be a problem. I guess there's something else that must stay hidden..
  12. Tommy C
    If they are married it’s more than that; from legal stand point of running a company it’s an issue. Bob had declared bankruptcy a few years ago and couldn't act as director of a company unless he has a court approval. On paper Bob wasn’t the owner of Trinity, but he was the face of the company, ran the show, dealt with customers, collected payments and refunded customers.
    They put Marie Timms’ name on paper but in fact it was his “brainchild”.
    It’s not surprising, I have been working in the financial industry for many years and I see those things all the time.
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2018
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  13. BeatMy808s
    Bob James = BJ. Flip it, JB = James Bond :wink:
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  14. Karendar
    Ah ha. The lies are fully unraveled.
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  15. Layman1
    A.K.A. "The Spy Who Shafted Me" :wink:
    Sorry, couldn't resist :D
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