Treatment for temporary tinnitus?
Dec 19, 2009 at 2:48 AM Post #2 of 16
"After... listening to MP3 players they found they had ringing in their ears."

Yikes. Just how loud are these people listening to their music? This scares me.
 
Dec 19, 2009 at 3:01 AM Post #3 of 16
Hmm... so this is a treatment to "cure" tinnitus that is known even by its name to be "temporary" and lasting only up to 24 hrs? Why not just 1) wait 24 hrs., and 2) not listen so loudly next time? You can do that for free.
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Dec 19, 2009 at 3:31 AM Post #4 of 16
One interesting suggestion was that this might lead to some kind of treatment for longer term tinnitus. These kids' work may be completely unrelated to some long term forms for many reasons, but the suggestion itself is appealing.
 
Dec 19, 2009 at 4:02 AM Post #5 of 16
God, I hate temporary tinnitus. I don't listen to my music loud enough for it normally, but when I mow my lawn I used to turn my music up so it would drown out the majority of the noise of the lawnmower and I'd get it for like 1-2 hours, so annoying! Had to stop turning my music up and deal with the lawnmower...
 
Dec 19, 2009 at 4:54 AM Post #6 of 16
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God, I hate temporary tinnitus. I don't listen to my music loud enough for it normally, but when I mow my lawn I used to turn my music up so it would drown out the majority of the noise of the lawnmower and I'd get it for like 1-2 hours, so annoying! Had to stop turning my music up and deal with the lawnmower...


I know what that's like, and it's too late to undo the damage that's been done, but I make sure to at least wear earplugs or a noise canceling headset when using any loud machinery or even whacking something with a hammer around the house. Unfortunately, no matter where you go you're bound to run into loud noise. Earlier, my house alarm malfunctioned and went off, producing an oh so insanely loud tone. I see alarms being advertised at producing 130+ db. I think at that point, the alarm is more dangerous than the threat of an intruder.
 
Dec 19, 2009 at 5:57 AM Post #7 of 16
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I know what that's like, and it's too late to undo the damage that's been done, but I make sure to at least wear earplugs or a noise canceling headset when using any loud machinery or even whacking something with a hammer around the house. Unfortunately, no matter where you go you're bound to run into loud noise. Earlier, my house alarm malfunctioned and went off, producing an oh so insanely loud tone. I see alarms being advertised at producing 130+ db. I think at that point, the alarm is more dangerous than the threat of an intruder.


Yeah, luckily I'm young and I'm fairly sure I've avoided any harmful hearing damage to this point (I can still hear up to 20khz and as low as any listening test has thrown at me), so I don't think that did anything permanently, but after those couple incidents I've been really careful to watch how loud I listen.
 
Dec 19, 2009 at 6:56 AM Post #8 of 16
What a remarkable lack of information on the web site about the actual "treatment".

From what I can gather and guess, what you're getting is a 1 minute DRMed sound that will cost you one credit per listen. 1 credit for 2.50 Euro. 10 credits for 14.99 Euro.

So the only way to find out what the tone is even like is to pay 2.50 Euro. The music labels should have thought of this. Brilliant.
 
Dec 19, 2009 at 7:46 AM Post #9 of 16
^ Heh. Yeah. I'm almost annoyed enough at that to not even link to the BBC. But I'm going to err on the side of "people can make up their own damn minds." I didn't even click through after reading the brief description of their "service."
 
Dec 20, 2009 at 2:15 AM Post #10 of 16
They don't go into detail most likely because it's another of the many offshoots of Tomatis' work. Tomatis himself believed tinnitus could be alleviated the same exact ways described on their website (anything that reduces stress), except I'm not too sure what exactly is the sound file they're playing to stimulate the cilia, probably the same ones he used. Everybody repeating your research and pretending its theirs is what happens when you don't provide research data or systematize your claims.
 
Dec 20, 2009 at 4:39 AM Post #11 of 16
Their fix seems like a way to trick a desensitization by introducing a masking noise that allows the sufferer a brief reprieve from a more specific and unpleasant pattern of noise. The hypothetical explanation of "straightening nerve endings" seems a little too specific, were the inventors able to measure this effect or is it just an extrapolation? It would be amazing if researchers could verify this anatomical change in the lab.

Whatever the research proves or disproves, their claims of efficacy are bound to make these kids a good amount of money should they choose to market the tapes.
 
Dec 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM Post #12 of 16
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Their fix seems like a way to trick a desensitization by introducing a masking noise that allows the sufferer a brief reprieve from a more specific and unpleasant pattern of noise.


Exactly. Find a noise to mask the temporary tinnitus until it goes away on its own. Not a cure imho.
 
Dec 21, 2009 at 8:38 AM Post #13 of 16
It seems like the mind is still my biggest hope in defeating my tinnitus (and possibly the cause). I hate having to place all my hope upon potential cures because it makes me feel like I'm hopeless in dealing with it myself. I'm sure that unless your reaction to the ringing is constantly hysterical, you're often able to immerse yourself in something and completely forget about the ringing and either not hear it or not respond to it. However, it becomes somewhat of a problem for me when listening to music and the tinnitus seems unavoidable. All I can say, after reading about Tomatis on wikipedia, is thank god I'm not an opera singer.

Are these Tomatis offshoot studies a dead end? Is it just a grave misunderstanding of how tinnitus works (ie we might not know what tinnitus is exactly but we know what it's not?). I admit I know nothing about Tomatis or his work only having read of him just now.
 
Dec 21, 2009 at 2:45 PM Post #14 of 16
I know most will consider what I'm about to say pseudo-science. I'll only write it because the person above me wants to know more about Tomatis. The sites tell you pretty much everything there is to know, that most tinnitus is in your mind, but also that this tension causes physiological repercussions in the sense organs. But even totally deaf or blind people can still mentally hear or see things that cause them more mental and nervous problems, with all sorts of physical manifestations, most commonly tension in the shoulders, neck, and head regions. If you want Tomatis' take on it, anything that relaxes the mind will relieve the tinnitus, with complete relaxation resulting in being completely free of tinnitus, and he much prefers Mozart. But of course it won't always work (in fact most of the time it will fail, hard to break mental habits), it may even aggravate it. Then of course there are environmental factors for tinnitus, but I'm not about to give dietary advice here. Two others who discovered the same things he did (relaxation in relation to perception) independent of each other are William H. Bates and FM Alexander. I would recommend you stop worrying about your tinnitus so much, and try to remember times when you didn't have it to get your mind off it.
 
Dec 31, 2009 at 10:50 PM Post #15 of 16
There's a lot of hype about the connection between headphones and hearing loss. I can't count the number of times people have looked at my Grados and reminded me to be careful. On the other hand, just the other day, I let somebody listen to my iPod using the Grados and he turned the music all the way to the wall. I could hear the tunes from across the room. I had to ask him to turn it down, not just for his hearing but for the wellbeing of my equipment. George Carlin used to say, "People are goofy." Yeah, and stupid, too.

My first song is always the loudest, luxuriously full but not unreasonable in volume. My ears are still tuning in to the complex tonalities of good music. Once I settle in, rather than the salty snack, carbonated caffeinated cola, sugar and fat feel of that first chug of sound, I pull it back, again and again and again. I find that if I do this in regular intervals, I never feel deprived. Each time I cut back a little, the sound still feels full. By the time I've made the last adjustment, I'm cruising at a very ear-friendly level.

If music has to be cranked up beyond a certain point, it's the cheap speaker phenomenon, where you're using volume quantity to compensate for a lack of sound quality. The clearer and more responsive the headgear, the less you need to blast your ears for effect.
 

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